Egnater Class A amp.... next?

[Joeytpg]

based on a question I asked on another thread, I'll make it it's own thread now, Bruce, Ian if any of you can chime in, it'd be perfect.

Looking at the Egnater amp line, we have a very varied selection of amps, we go from the versatile monster (Tourmaster) to the well packed mid-level Renegade, the small but powerful and versatile Rebel 30, to the lunchboxes (Tweaker & Rebel 20) and the whole Tweaker series. Recently with the high gain monsters added and the HG line and the so highly praised Modular series, the only thing really left in the line is a class A "clean monster"

It doesn't have to be a clean only amp...... but something that has that vintage class A characteristic sound. Something that'll shine with pedals and that'll make the vintage/warm tone seeker go GAGA over it.

I know that all egnater amps have AWESOME cleans, but they're not Class A amps and they dont' feel the same as a Class A amp..... not better not worse, just DIFFERENT.

so, would we see something like this in the future?

 

[mboogman]

He hinted at something like that in his asking about what we'd like to see for the next amp building seminar. MAybe he's working on something new that he hasn't disclosed yet.

 

[Joeytpg]

I hope so I'm be all over a class A egnater

 

[Joeytpg]

I can imagine this Class A amp with these amazing Egnater features:

- reverb
- tube blend
- tone shaping (like the Tweaker) that way you can basically have a "Fendery" or a Voxy type of clean.
- Deep/Tight - bright/normal switches
- direct out
- I don't know if this can be done, but basically a switch that makes the tubes cook faster so that you basically get breakup and distortion out of the powertubes. This can become the "second channel". If it can be a knob rather than a switch so that it acts like a gain knob, but no gain stages, just pure powertube saturation.

 

[bbaug14]

I don't know if this can be done, but basically a switch that makes the tubes cook faster so that you basically get breakup and distortion out of the powertubes. This can become the "second channel". If it can be a knob rather than a switch so that it acts like a gain knob, but no gain stages, just pure powertube saturation.

This is easy to do on any amp. Just make the negative feedback resistor adjustable with a switch or throw a pot in line with it. Done. The issue is that when you adjust the negative feedback, it makes your amp a lot louder at lower volumes. So, matching up volume levels on 2 channels with different negative feedback values through a switch or a relay of some sort would be a PITA.

 

[Joeytpg]

I don't know if this can be done, but basically a switch that makes the tubes cook faster so that you basically get breakup and distortion out of the powertubes. This can become the "second channel". If it can be a knob rather than a switch so that it acts like a gain knob, but no gain stages, just pure powertube saturation.

This is easy to do on any amp. Just make the negative feedback resistor adjustable with a switch or throw a pot in line with it. Done. The issue is that when you adjust the negative feedback, it makes your amp a lot louder at lower volumes. So, matching up volume levels on 2 channels with different negative feedback values through a switch or a relay of some sort would be a PITA.

man, I get excited just thinking about it..... having the BEST clean platform amp form Egnater would create an amazing platform in it of itself for the Egnater pedal line (I heard Bruce is working on delay too besides the two overdrives).

C'mon Bruce, give us this amp.....

 

[Waxhead]

I can imagine this Class A amp with these amazing Egnater features:

- reverb
- tube blend
- tone shaping (like the Tweaker) that way you can basically have a "Fendery" or a Voxy type of clean.
- Deep/Tight - bright/normal switches
- direct out
- I don't know if this can be done, but basically a switch that makes the tubes cook faster so that you basically get breakup and distortion out of the powertubes. This can become the "second channel". If it can be a knob rather than a switch so that it acts like a gain knob, but no gain stages, just pure powertube saturation.

hehehe - so you want 6L6 Fender and Vox EL84 class A cleans in one amp huh.
Plus a distortion channel that sounds like .... ??
Very tough to do in one amp.
Doesn't the Mesa TransAtlantic attempt Voxy tones.

Personally I'm not interested in Egnater cloning other amps.
I like their orginality - they got their own tones - Class A or Class B - don't care - Egnater cleans are excellent.

If I want Fender cleans I'll buy a Fender and my Mesa 5:50 has better Fender style cleans than almost all Fenders anyway.
They're on par with the Twin I used to own
Jangly Vox tones - Vox does it best.
I'm happy for Egnater to do Egnater - progressive, innovative, versatile, unique & great value for money

 

[Joeytpg]

I can imagine this Class A amp with these amazing Egnater features:

- reverb
- tube blend
- tone shaping (like the Tweaker) that way you can basically have a "Fendery" or a Voxy type of clean.
- Deep/Tight - bright/normal switches
- direct out
- I don't know if this can be done, but basically a switch that makes the tubes cook faster so that you basically get breakup and distortion out of the powertubes. This can become the "second channel". If it can be a knob rather than a switch so that it acts like a gain knob, but no gain stages, just pure powertube saturation.

hehehe - so you want 6L6 Fender and Vox EL84 class A cleans in one amp huh.
Plus a distortion channel that sounds like .... ??
Very tough to do in one amp.
Doesn't the Mesa TransAtlantic attempt Voxy tones.

Personally I'm not interested in Egnater cloning other amps.
I like their orginality - they got their own tones - Class A or Class B - don't care - Egnater cleans are excellent.

If I want Fender cleans I'll buy a Fender and my Mesa 5:50 has better Fender style cleans than almost all Fenders anyway.
They're on par with the Twin I used to own
Jangly Vox tones - Vox does it best.
I'm happy for Egnater to do Egnater - progressive, innovative, versatile, unique & great value for money

No no, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Egnater to do "fender" I said "fendery" I guess that word is used around to imply the "american warm cleans" Bruce himself sometimes refers to it as the "fendery" clean when he's explaining the Tweaker tone shaping switch.

I want Egnater to do EGNATER, nothing else......and regarding the Vox clean, I'm not into Vox, if it was for me it'd be a 6L6 "americanish" clean but I guess Egnater fans are used to having the two voicings nowadays which is why I included the option.

I would just like to see a Class A amp with the most beautiful bouncy warm cleans Bruce can make that can serve as the best clean platform for pedals and FX out there. I love his clean channels and I'm thinking that if he puts his mind into designing an amp who's magic lies around the clean tone, I think we might have a gem here.

Remember, different strokes to different folks. Egnater's now doing HIGH GAIN, as in METAL.....which they weren't known for, so why not a "vintage" amp for the pop/blues/jazz crowd. so far the rock/metal crowd are more than covered

disclaimer:

I'm not stating that Egnater's can't do jazz/pop/blues (clean blues ala Stevie Ray V. I mean) because they can... I'm just going in a different direction here.

 

[Waxhead]

I can imagine this Class A amp with these amazing Egnater features:

- reverb
- tube blend
- tone shaping (like the Tweaker) that way you can basically have a "Fendery" or a Voxy type of clean.
- Deep/Tight - bright/normal switches
- direct out
- I don't know if this can be done, but basically a switch that makes the tubes cook faster so that you basically get breakup and distortion out of the powertubes. This can become the "second channel". If it can be a knob rather than a switch so that it acts like a gain knob, but no gain stages, just pure powertube saturation.

hehehe - so you want 6L6 Fender and Vox EL84 class A cleans in one amp huh.
Plus a distortion channel that sounds like .... ??
Very tough to do in one amp.
Doesn't the Mesa TransAtlantic attempt Voxy tones.

Personally I'm not interested in Egnater cloning other amps.
I like their orginality - they got their own tones - Class A or Class B - don't care - Egnater cleans are excellent.

If I want Fender cleans I'll buy a Fender and my Mesa 5:50 has better Fender style cleans than almost all Fenders anyway.
They're on par with the Twin I used to own
Jangly Vox tones - Vox does it best.
I'm happy for Egnater to do Egnater - progressive, innovative, versatile, unique & great value for money

No no, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Egnater to do "fender" I said "fendery" I guess that word is used around to imply the "american warm cleans" Bruce himself sometimes refers to it as the "fendery" clean when he's explaining the Tweaker tone shaping switch.

I want Egnater to do EGNATER, nothing else......and regarding the Vox clean, I'm not into Vox, if it was for me it'd be a 6L6 "americanish" clean but I guess Egnater fans are used to having the two voicings nowadays which is why I included the option.

I would just like to see a Class A amp with the most beautiful bouncy warm cleans Bruce can make that can serve as the best clean platform for pedals and FX out there. I love his clean channels and I'm thinking that if he puts his mind into designing an amp who's magic lies around the clean tone, I think we might have a gem here.

Remember, different strokes to different folks. Egnater's now doing HIGH GAIN, as in METAL.....which they weren't known for, so why not a "vintage" amp for the pop/blues/jazz crowd. so far the rock/metal crowd are more than covered

disclaimer:

I'm not stating that Egnater's can't do jazz/pop/blues (clean blues ala Stevie Ray V. I mean) because they can... I'm just going in a different direction here.

ok well you've changed your story somewhat but that's ok hehe
So lets go with your vintage Class A clean Fendery concept

Mesa did that with the Lonestar series - superlative class A cleans & reverb & some low gain OD.
Fantastic clean amp, high headroom, wattage options, great pedal platform and very Fendery with 6L6s
Big success & better than any Fender imo.
Then 3 yrs later they released the 5:50 which has very very similar class A cleans & reverb to the Lonestar Classic but also added great crunch & high gain channels too.
That one turned out more versatile, 20 pounds lighter & $500 cheaper.
Mesa do both in 6L6 and EL84 tubes types.
Then Mesa did it again with the Mark V & added even more versatility.

Is this what you have in mind for Egnater - they'd do it cheaper for sure but it's nothing new

 

[Joeytpg]

I honestly dont mind that there's something out there like this, I'd just like to see it from the hands and magic of mr. Egnater

and I think it would complete the product line

 

[Waxhead]

I honestly dont mind that there's something out there like this, I'd just like to see it from the hands and magic of mr. Egnater

and I think it would complete the product line

hehehe have you played any of these Mesa's - Lonestar Classic, Lonestar Special, Express 5:50, Express 5:25, Mark V, Electrodyne, Royal Atlantic, Roadster.
They're all different versions of what you've described - that's one reason why they're all much more $$ than Egnaters

 

[Joeytpg]

I have, I even owned a Mesa F-50 which had AMAZING cleans.

 

[Waxhead]

I have, I even owned a Mesa F-50 which had AMAZING cleans.

ok well if you asked Bruce nicely he might do similar