Einstein at lower volume?

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Heya folks,
Does a 50w Einstein sound good at bedroom level? I do know tubes sounds best wound up, but does the Einstein master volume go from nothing to too loud or is there an in between? I tried a VHT 50CL that had a lot of control at lower volumes but a Budda SD45 had like "off" and "wow". Whatcha think?
 
I got the 100W and it's fun at any volume. Usually I am playing with higher preamp volume (around 3:00 o'clock) on bedroom levels and turn it down to around noon when cranking the master.

With higher preamp vol it's got a more cranked feel at low volume.
 
Hi Fredster,
Einstein is a tube amp - and I think, there is no doubt - every tube amp comes alive when you play it with higher volumes (and that means loud they are made for Rock'n Roll - and all other settings are compromize! Remember Jimy (Hendrix) - all poties to the max!

To buy and play a tube amp at bedroom levels does not make any sense (excuse me) - get a guitar-port from line_6 and play it through a PC - or get Guitar Rig - that are the best solutions to play at bedroom levels (honestly - I own both) - but Einstein is not made for bedroom levels!

Why on Earth are you talking about bedroom levels, when you intend to buy or play a real Rock'n Roll amp, what Einstein is?

eddiespaghetty (I miss my smiley with the sunglasses!)
 
I have a POD. Got a ToneLab as well. They both sound pretty good, but they do miss that feel a real tube amp has and what I want.
 
eddiespaghetty":6ed4f said:
To buy and play a tube amp at bedroom levels does not make any sense (excuse me) - get a guitar-port from line_6 and play it through a PC - or get Guitar Rig - that are the best solutions to play at bedroom levels (honestly - I own both) - but Einstein is not made for bedroom levels!

Because Line 6 sounds like :bleh:

I have a Herbert that I rarely crank up. I think it sounds awesome at low volumes. I'd imagine the Einstein does as well. All my gear is pretty high-end and I only play in my house. Just because you are not on a stage somewhere doesn't mean you shouldn't buy the best if you can afford it.
 
ANY amp sounds better at higher volume. It doesn't matter if it's solid-state or tube. Note that this volume does not mean that the amp has to be on full blast, just louder than what many think of as "bedroom volume". I'd say "loud TV volume" and beyond or something. It's got to do with how we hear things and pushing the speakers a little.

I've never been quite happy with modeling amps. I loved the sounds I got from the Yamaha DG combo I had, but not the fact that it sorta made all guitars sound similar. Nice, pleasing sound, but if I plug in a Strat, or a 335 or a LP I want them to sound distinctly different. I find this is a problem to varying degrees on most modelers and solid-state amps and they don't react to picking softer and harder in as nice a way as a good tube amp does. So tube amps it is.

Over the years I've tried nearly all the "tube taming" solutions available. Really low watt amps, attenuators, dummy load w/lineout into separate poweramp, Power Scaling...out of those Power Scaling worked best in terms of retaining the tone of the amp without compressing or changing the tone (excluding how we hear things differently at different volumes). The Einstein's master volume in my experience works just as well. I use my 50W Einstein combo at home (in an apartment no less) and it does the sounds I want. Does it sound better at a higher volume? Yes it does, but only because of the increased volume rather than the tone changing that much. It's not like say, old Marshalls that sound weedy and thin at low volume and roar like beasts when cranked.

The master volume is a bit touchy on the lowest settings and requires a careful hand to work but it's not like in some amps where moving the volume control 0.01 notches is a difference between silence and WAY LOUD. Overall it seems to have a pretty even range on the knob. The channel volumes can be used to fine tune the volume levels anyway so it's not a problem. The voicing switches on the first channel can also be used to alter the FEEL of the amp. Mode 3 is the most compressed so if you want a bit easier feel then just turn that on and turn down the gain for compressed non-metal/high gain tones.

Currently my only real beef with the amp is the 2nd channel. It's a great sound but the gain levels are stupid. Yes, I mean stupid. I find anything above 11 o'clock practically useless because there's so much gain. I intend to drop a lower gain tube into the V2 slot and see if that helps tame it. I think it'd be great if it could also be used as a rhythm/lead sound since the voicing is great but the sound cuts out if you turn the gain on 0. Gain on 0.1 is still a pretty high gain sound in my book. Peter really should drop a gain stage or add some sort of high/low gain switch there.
 
^ Thanks LaXu, that's what I was hoping for. I've gotten pretty good results with a HotPlate, so if all else fails I can use it. The Einstein should be here next week, so I guess I'll find out.
 
I have a Mesa Tremoverb that I always use with a Hot Plate. Even at live volume I find it harsh with out it. I tred it on Glory Hog's Einstein and it did not help the amp, it sounded great at low volumes without it. You may find different. I belive it has more to do with getting the speakers going with the Einstein than the power amp. :confused:
 
Thanks again guys, sounds like I won't need the Hot Plate. Can't wait for this puppy to get here!
 
eddiespaghetty":49aa0 said:
To buy and play a tube amp at bedroom levels does not make any sense (excuse me) - get a guitar-port from line_6 and play it through a PC - or get Guitar Rig - that are the best solutions to play at bedroom levels (honestly - I own both) - but Einstein is not made for bedroom levels!

Why on Earth are you talking about bedroom levels, when you intend to buy or play a real Rock'n Roll amp, what Einstein is?

eddiespaghetty (I miss my smiley with the sunglasses!)

Bullshit. The Herbert, like all Diezels if I remember correctly, get's it's distortion mainly from the preamp-stage, and not the poweramp-stage. Yes, it will sound better at high volumes, but it will, and does, rock hard at low volumes too. I play my Herbert at home 99% of the time with the channel vols at around 9, clean at around 11, and the master at around 8:30, and it sounds awesome.
 
Sorry, I don't agree!
Sure you can play those amps at lower volume and you can tweak them to sound reasonable. But there is a loss of "rock-character" for my point of view and there are other and better solutions to play at lower volumes. My Einstein comes alive at higher volumes and I don't think, it "rocks" at bedroom level. It is right, the Diezel Amps get the distortion from the preamp stage, but they need imho the poweramp stage as well to rock the thing. Maybe the Herbert is bit different.
 
My Einstein sounds good at low levels but really becomes a beast at stage volume.
IMO, the VHT CL50 I had sounded better at low bedroom volumes as did the JVM, but at stage volumes they can't compare to a Diezel. NEIN!!!!

And yes, Budda volume control is VERY touchy.

I have the 100 Einstein so you should be fine with the 50 watter at low levels.
 
To answer your question, I have the 100 watt Einstein and I play at low volumes in my room late at night without waking anybody up, and I'm still happy with my tone. I crack the master volume and use the channel volumes to dial in the right amount of noise :) . Obviously the amp sounds better and really comes alive when you crank it a bit, but don't be fooled into thinking it sounds bad at lower levels. Still, I advise you to crank it as often as possible, because that's what tube amps are all about. Enjoy dude.
 
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