Einstein + Bogner cube? Speaker concerns?

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Hey guys, I'm thinking about getting a Bogner cube for small gigs. I'll be using a G12H30 speaker along w/ my Einstein, but since its a 100W amp, I'm wondering at what volume I would need to back off to keep from blowing/overpowering the 30W speaker?

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if you do, make sure it is an open back cab. if you try it with a closed back, the speaker and cab will be farting and passing wind :lol: :LOL: so much at low volume that it will drive you nuts and make you want to go ahead and blow the damn thing out :doh:

steve
 
EVM12L - get it & forget it, no problem with closed back cabs.
 
the EVM12L Black Label is the one I was wondering about. one thing for sure, they are proud of them at $279 a pop. let us know if you try them out.

steve
 
Thanks for the replies, guys. I was really hoping to stick w/ the G12H30 and keep it closed back...dang, that sucks. I will note that I won't be using much distortion with this setup...it's merely for mid-crunch stuff at most, so the tightness isn't really a concern unless the speaker starts flubbing b/c of the wattage...which I assume you are talking about. Dang it, again.

What kind of frequency response does the EVM12L have? Or, what speaker does it closely resemble in that area? I'm trying to maintain a sweet, vintage-like tone...or at least what the Einstein gets close to.

I might just stick w/ my 2x12...I just wanted to take up less space for church, small gigs, etc. I've started playing in some theatre plays too and there's not much space down there in the orchestra pit!

Main reason for this thread was a local deal I found w/ a Bogner cube that already has my favorite speaker (as of now) in it... Are you guys POSITIVE that that cab would flub out at low volumes? Obviously I do like a bit of breakup, but too much "flub" would be a problem too.

Thanks again for the replies :rock:
 
steve_k":11ywzu3v said:
the EVM12L Black Label is the one I was wondering about. one thing for sure, they are proud of them at $279 a pop. let us know if you try them out.

steve
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It should be here sometime next week. I'll let know if there is any difference between the CL & BL to worry about. I've got mine for 165$ shipped, which is not that bad. My single EVM12L-CL (that I bought for 130$ shipped) sounds better than 2 v30s together, so you can split the price in half. It all depends on the amp though. I don't like just EVM with Uberschall for example, however it still kills mixed with V30s even with Uber.

I'm staring to sound like EVM12L evangelist :D
 
I'd like to know what vintage like tone means to you. I'm not even sure that vintage tone comes from the speaker, unless you have some specialty weber or alinco blue or something like that. EVM is not vintage sounding.

I use to have a Bogner Cube with V30 & it was one solid cabinet, but then I've never really cranked it THAT much.
 
Well, the tone I'm referring to with my Diezel is just a nice smooth mid-gain crunch. Think Ch2. of your Herbert or VH4...I know that's not purely vintage AT ALL...but the best example off the top of my head would be Keith Urban's Stupid Boy (rhythm guitar in big chorus). I suppose I'd call the tone like a more refined vintage/sweet tone? I dunno really...

Anyway, I could be wrong, but I think w/ any 30/25Watt speaker (G12H30 or Greenback), you're bound to get some natural breakup that attributes to the overall texture of the sound. Most of time I don't count this as "flub," although I guess that can be subjective, unless you decide to crank a 23W Deluxe Reverb...mine seems to fart out anywhere in the bass after the volume goes past 3.

The fact is that lower wattage speakers are usually driven hard, and these speakers can have "pleasant nonlinearities" that might be referred to as "breakup." Whatever you want to call it, I like it! As long as the 100W amp isn't getting anywhere close to actually damaging the speaker and as long as it sounds good...That's why I asked about the wattage and volume levels earlier. I mean obviously I wouldn't crank a 100W head w/ a single 30W speaker, but I'd like to think I could get the same great tones at a moderate to low level with that setup. I dunno though! Is this what you guys understood when you first answered my question?

Anyway, I'll probably fair the best just trying out the cabinet locally sometime, but until then, I'll remain perplexed!
 
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