EQ maching ->Voxengo Deconvolver-> Torpedo Studio=Tone loss

[majshumlan]

Hi

I did some EQ matching to some guitarsounds with Ozone 6.
I record a chain like this:Orange Thunderverb->Torpedo Studio(with all mics and fx off)->spdif into Motu 828->Cubase 7.5
I think my sound gets very close to the records I matched to when I play them in Cubase with Ozone 6
as the"cab"

I then use Voxengo Deconvolver to make a IR wave file that I put into the Torpedo studio
But the sound is not the same.Not a BIG diffrence but its lacking some highs....the "air" and abit harsh mids

Im not sure if im doin something wrong or its just the Torpedo thats shrinking the trunksize that causes this

Any ideas?

 

[guillaume_pille]

Hi majshumlan,

I then use Voxengo Deconvolver to make a IR wave file

What exactly do you make an IR of, and how do you do it?

Im not sure if im doin something wrong or its just the Torpedo thats shrinking the trunksize that causes this

I will be able to answer the first part with the answer to my first question, I highly doubt it's about the size of the IR (the highs are typically not affected by the size once you go over a minimum size).

 

[sysexguy]

Any aspect of the Ozone patch that is dynamic eq, compression, stereo effects etc would not be captured by the IR process. You could also test the resultant IR in your DAW prior to import to the Studio.

 

[guillaume_pille]

Andy reads my mind.

I can add that a lot of the Ozone processing is actually distortion-based (such as an exciter for example), so all the high order nicely sounding harmonics cannot be captured by an IR.

 

[majshumlan]

Hi

Thanx for the answers and sorry for being unclear

This is the techniuqe that I use

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/thre ... al.710368/

Though I put in 96K samplerate and 24 bit in the Deconvolver when thats what I use in Cubase.
Maby there is some problem with bit dept or samplerate?

 

[walkontx]

Very interested in this as well. Are you saying you can create IR's out of your favorite raw guitar track? Not sure I understand this.

 

[majshumlan]

I went back and doublechecked every step and found that I was overloading the Ozone at the very end of the testtone from the Voxengo Decovolver.
I fixed the level and now the IR impulse sound super!!!

Now all that I need is that reverb for the studio


In ozone its only EQ that its used no dynamic EQ or any other FX

Cheers every one!

 

[guillaume_pille]

In ozone its only EQ that its used no dynamic EQ or any other FX

Ok that's the important thing to know: convolution (IRs) isn't designed to work with distorted signal (exciter, overloading of any sort...) or time-based effects (delay, compressor, chorus etc...).

 

[walkontx]

In ozone its only EQ that its used no dynamic EQ or any other FX

Ok that's the important thing to know: convolution (IRs) isn't designed to work with distorted signal (exciter, overloading of any sort...) or time-based effects (delay, compressor, chorus etc...).

Curious what you mean by this. I use ownhammer IR's, as well was the two notes IR's as well...
Do you mean I shouldn't ad any effects of any kind to these when recording?

 

[djd100]

No, he means that Convolution (IR's), will only capture the linear aspects of a sound (the freq response over time), and not the non-linear aspects (distortion, compression etc).

You are free to process your tracks however you see fit.

In ozone its only EQ that its used no dynamic EQ or any other FX

Ok that's the important thing to know: convolution (IRs) isn't designed to work with distorted signal (exciter, overloading of any sort...) or time-based effects (delay, compressor, chorus etc...).

Curious what you mean by this. I use ownhammer IR's, as well was the two notes IR's as well...
Do you mean I shouldn't ad any effects of any kind to these when recording?

 

[guillaume_pille]

No, he means that Convolution (IR's), will only capture the linear aspects of a sound (the freq response over time), and not the non-linear aspects (distortion, compression etc).

You are free to process your tracks however you see fit.

That is exactly what I meant, thanks DJD.