Finding the sweet spot and pushing ir cabs?

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After owning the torpedo cab for a year now, and using it with a pod HD I decided to go and get me a Mesa boogie dual rectifier and a torpedo live. It's a huge improvement in tone and feel. I am finally getting my dream guitar rig. But one thing hit me when playing through real pedals, Compressors and a real tube amp, and that is that the impulse is static. I know that it is static but when playing through a pod, with all the digital effects, the IR in the torpedo unit is an improvement over the pods cab sim. But today I sat down with the pod and played through it as a stand alone unit, and despite the tone being rather digital and somewhat fizzy I realized that they have cab parameters that let you dial in a sweet spot and to push the cab in a way you really cant with a third party impulse response. The thing is that the added headroom and the dynamic improvement from switching to a real amp made me start thinking about wanting to push the cab more. Does anyone have any tips for this? Pushing the amp more isn't the same thing, the sweet spot for the amp is easy to dial in but the lack of cab omph and resonance is somewhat lacking. I have made my own impulses in blendir from two cabs mixed together, and they are really great. Clear sounding and high in the details. The one I use really reacts well dynamically. But as I push the amp or the volume the cab doesn't follow. I there a way to load the .tur file in blendir and make 10 different versions of it being pushed differently?
The only way I can think of to make this happen is to ad a room reverb via the spdf out and to push that into omph clipping. So it can simulate the cab being choked and pushed in a room. I hope You guys know what I mean by this :) or I am just rambling a bunch of nonsense, lol :)?
 
buy an axe fx... i believe they have this tech with their built in cabs. I remember when i owned a ultra it had an air and drive control for the cab ir's. I am not sure if that exists anymore. My 5150 III with torpedo live sounds way better than the ultra did that's for sure. I don't think there is a ton of drawback when using cab ir's if it is done correctly. If what you explain is happening to you i see that as a very minor inconvenience over mic'ing a real cab and dealing with the volume.
 
mniel8195":2ho63ai3 said:
buy an axe fx... i believe they have this tech with their built in cabs. I remember when i owned a ultra it had an air and drive control for the cab ir's. I am not sure if that exists anymore. My 5150 III with torpedo live sounds way better than the ultra did that's for sure. I don't think there is a ton of drawback when using cab ir's if it is done correctly. If what you explain is happening to you i see that as a very minor inconvenience over mic'ing a real cab and dealing with the volume.
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The mesa sounds so massive and so sensitive and dynamic that it's the amp I always wanted. No more digital amp modeling :)
But what if I boost certain frequencys in blendir and lower the overall volume when makin the IR, wouldn't that kinda act as a resonance boost? Or is there a program out there to do that with your IR?
 
Hello,

You may want to have a look at the Torpedo Studio actually. In addition to the stereo feature and a few other things, it embeds the "Overlad" parameter that simulates the dynamic of the loudpseakers (ie, the way they distort). It's quite drastic actually !

If you want to get an idea about that without buying the Studio, you can test it on the WoS plug-in. If you also download the Torpedo Remote and register your Torpedo Live with it, you'll get a license allowing you to use the 32 speaker cabinets of your Live into the WoS.
 
Basstyra":o84lhf8g said:
Hello,

You may want to have a look at the Torpedo Studio actually. In addition to the stereo feature and a few other things, it embeds the "Overlad" parameter that simulates the dynamic of the loudpseakers (ie, the way they distort). It's quite drastic actually !

If you want to get an idea about that without buying the Studio, you can test it on the WoS plug-in. If you also download the Torpedo Remote and register your Torpedo Live with it, you'll get a license allowing you to use the 32 speaker cabinets of your Live into the WoS.
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Thanks for your reply :)
No studio for me thou. Spent to much already on all the gear :) and the latency is to high on computers to play with amp sims and such. But it I get the WoS, Am I able to load my own IRs and tweak them and save them to my live unit?
 
I wasn't suggesting you play with amp sims ;) If you use your Torpedo Live as a loadbox only, bypassing the speaker simulation (or using the Output parameter in the Setup menu to output a dry signal, either on the Line output or the S/PDIF, please refer here for more details : http://support.two-notes.com/knowledgeb ... rticle=207 ), then you can play your amp and do the speaker simulation on your computer with the WoS, rather than in the Live.

If latency is an issue with your setup, you could use the S/PDIF (see above) to record the dry signal, and still use the Live for monitoring. Then, use the WoS on the dry recorded signal. But this obviously only works for recording (and it's a little bit more complicated to set up).

You don't need the WoS to tweak and use IRs in your Live. The free BlendIR software can be used for tweaking : http://www.two-notes.com/en/software/torpedo-blendir
And the Remote software for loading IRs into the Live : http://www.two-notes.com/en/hardware/to ... #downloads
 
Rusted7cl":304gnp94 said:
try other IRs...
i recomend you to try Ownhammer IR.
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I have tried thousands of IRs for many years with a lot of different software and hardware. The ones I use are fantastic in clarity and dynamics but I wanna be able to push the cab some more to get that sweet resonate feeling. I think a good room reverb will help. Will try that instead. This whole using the WoS thing is kinda cool when recording but I really wanna build my rig without a computer in first hand. The there will always be some plugins in the daw for mixing but I don't buy a torpedo live for a shitload of money just to bypass it so I can buy another software to use with my cab sims. The torpedo products are fantastic and I will not use my computer anymore as part of my rig :)
 
If you have your own cabinet and a microphone, why not trying to make your own capture in your room? That would be an interesting option.
 
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