First time Diezel Schmidt user

[asmodeous_666]

Hi,

I just purchased a Diezel Schmidt head. And I'm a bit concerned.

Please be patient while I explain.

Currently I have the head playing through a 2x12 JSX Peavey Cabinet I have, due to the fact I live in the middle east, and it's quite expensive to import a cab after paying 4000$ for a head...

Anyways, I using my Suhr Standard which is Basswood with Maple top, or my R7 Les Paul through the amp.

Till now, i can't seem to get a very saturated heavy tone out of Channel 2 or 3.
When I did my research through the net, people seemed to be able to get that tone.
I'm kind of going after a Hetfield or a Petrucci kind of Rhythm tone.

Any advice?

P.S. I've also tried the amp through a Bad Cat Leash Attenuator, and when I dime the amp, I'm getting some pretty cool tone, but I just can't get it to be as heavy as I thought it would be.

Thanks.

 

[Duolos]

Define Heavy....

I run the gain at about 4 o clock, volume at 1 o clock and everything else around middle give or take and it gets plenty heavy. You are talking about a class A amp that is lower wattage so using an attenuator doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can get great tones out of the Schmidt at any volume. You may want to get a proper cabinet as this will help immensely. I suggest the 2X12 or 4X12 hemp cone rear loaded Diezel Cabinet. There should be plenty of singing lead tones and riff happy gain and dirty grind in that amp not to mention stellar cleans.

What EQ settings are you currently using?

 

[scoeb city]

James Hetfield uses a vh4, you probably should have gone for that!

 

[Duolos]

True he does use a VH4.

However, you can easily get Load/ReLoad Metallica tones from Schmidt. It also does a great Alice in Chains tone and a million others. I wouldn't say it excels at the Cannibal Corpse riffage but it does anything else unbelievably well. Brad Paisley grit, Carlos Santana sustain, Malcolm Young tight riffage, and on and on and on. The Schmidt is a monster, plain and simple.

 

[asmodeous_666]

Define Heavy....
I run the gain at about 4 o clock, volume at 1 o clock and everything else around middle give or take and it gets plenty heavy. You are talking about a class A amp that is lower wattage so using an attenuator doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can get great tones out of the Schmidt at any volume. You may want to get a proper cabinet as this will help immensely. I suggest the 2X12 or 4X12 hemp cone rear loaded Diezel Cabinet. There should be plenty of singing lead tones and riff happy gain and dirty grind in that amp not to mention stellar cleans.
What EQ settings are you currently using?

At the moment, I'm running the EQ at 12, and playing around with it, trying to find the right tone.

James Hetfield uses a vh4, you probably should have gone for that!

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The reason I bought it was my perhaps flawed logic, that I didn't need 100 or 180watts, and therefore wanted a smaller, and simpler amp.

I will look into getting the proper Cabinet for it. The only problem is the cost of shipping a cabinet to the region. And after paying for this amp, I just want to make sure I'm not using the wrong tool for the what I have in mind.

Thanks for the help.

 

[asmodeous_666]

True he does use a VH4.

However, you can easily get Load/ReLoad Metallica tones from Schmidt. It also does a great Alice in Chains tone and a million others. I wouldn't say it excels at the Cannibal Corpse riffage but it does anything else unbelievably well. Brad Paisley grit, Carlos Santana sustain, Malcolm Young tight riffage, and on and on and on. The Schmidt is a monster, plain and simple.

Don't need the Canniabal Corpse stuff

If I figure out how to get a Load/Reload tone, and Santana Sustain, I will quite happy.

 

[Joeytpg]

hmmm dude, seriously, if you're going for the Hetfield thing, I STRONGLY suggest you to return that amp for a VH4 a Herbert or an Einstein.

If you were to say you're going for a John Mayer/Carlos Santana/Eric Clapton/ACDC thing with the ocassional Metallica' Load-Reaload/Alice in Chains/maybe even nickelback then I'd say this amp is for you but seriously, if your first example of tone is hetfield, I can see you not being happy after a few months.

Return it now that it's new.

 

[VH4_BigRig]

The reason I bought it was my perhaps flawed logic, that I didn't need 100 or 180watts, and therefore wanted a smaller, and simpler amp.

I will look into getting the proper Cabinet for it. The only problem is the cost of shipping a cabinet to the region. And after paying for this amp, I just want to make sure I'm not using the wrong tool for the what I have in mind.

Thanks for the help.

Define Heavy....
I run the gain at about 4 o clock, volume at 1 o clock and everything else around middle give or take and it gets plenty heavy. You are talking about a class A amp that is lower wattage so using an attenuator doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can get great tones out of the Schmidt at any volume. You may want to get a proper cabinet as this will help immensely. I suggest the 2X12 or 4X12 hemp cone rear loaded Diezel Cabinet. There should be plenty of singing lead tones and riff happy gain and dirty grind in that amp not to mention stellar cleans.
What EQ settings are you currently using?

At the moment, I'm running the EQ at 12, and playing around with it, trying to find the right tone.

James Hetfield uses a vh4, you probably should have gone for that!

.

The reason I bought it was my perhaps flawed logic, that I didn't need 100 or 180watts, and therefore wanted a smaller, and simpler amp.

I will look into getting the proper Cabinet for it. The only problem is the cost of shipping a cabinet to the region. And after paying for this amp, I just want to make sure I'm not using the wrong tool for the what I have in mind.

Thanks for the help.

What pickups are you using? Have you tried using a boost in front yet? Messing with those might help too, but unfortunately, I think it might just be a case of the flawed logic....

I got the impression from what I've read on the board and official site that the schmidt was designed to offer a different flavour from the other Diezels, something "less heavy" because the rest of the amps do that so well already. I mean, I'd assume that it could do heavy if pushed as well, as Peter designs all of his amps to be versatile, but it would require more effort than with the other amps. It's not a lower wattage version of the VH4 or Herbert, which may be what you were after

I see the logic in not wanting an overpowering amp, but the cool thing about Diezels is it's less of an issue because the master volumes are quite good (well, on my VH4 at least) compared to other amps (like some Marshalls, 5150s, etc). If it's not a total hassle, I agree with Joey, you're probably better off with any one of the other heads if you can swing it...if not, I'm sure you'll get her sounding good with some more time and experimentation

 

[asmodeous_666]

In my Suhr Guitar I'm using these pickups

Neck: JST SSV
Bridge: JST SSH+

I've tried a Gt-500 as a boost infront of it. and it seems to work.

Now, my main issue is not about returning the amp [which I'm not sure yet if I can ship back]....

The question is, if I get a VH4 head, will it still sound like crap through my JSX Peavey Cab?

I've pretty much maxed out my CC... so I need to know if I've doomed myself, or should I just wait... buy a real 2x12 or even a 4x12 and the amp will be able to get to sound much better.

Thanks.

 

[Joeytpg]

Listen man, a good cab will make such a GREAT difference, but only in quality of tone. Not the characteristic of the amp. I f the amp lacks gain or balls or hugeness or tightness for the style of music that you play, it won't matter what cab you use with it, it'll still be the same amp.

Now, an amp like the VH4 (which I know because I own it), will sound tight and mean through a normal or even shitty cab.... now put it through a SOLID cab and those characteristics will magnify, but it'll still be the VH4.

Once again, I recommend you to return that amp for a VH4 an Einstein or a Herbert for the type of tones you're after.

Get an Einstein and save some cash, with that money you save you'll cover the shipping expenses.

 

[Apex1Rg7X]

I think your best bet is the 50 watt Einstein too be honest. Cheaper than the VH4 and can cover just about any tone you will ever need. One of the most versatile amps out there hands down.

 

[Duolos]

I can assure you that the tones you are after are in that amp. Your cabinet choice at the moment is not helping you, it is hurting you. You sincerely need to someday get a rear loaded hemp cone cabinet for that amp....either 2X12 or 4X12. That will make a huge difference I promise you. If you feel you need a boost the best one I have found is the Xotic BB (orange simple one) and it will respond very favorably with the Schmidt. Again, my advice is to continue twisting knobs and learning the dynamics of the amp. There are many tones inside the Schmidt.