For those of you that use the G System....

muudrock

muudrock

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How do you like it?

I might go that direction but am curious as to the tone quality since your plugging into the A/D converter right up front before it goes to the amp in the 4 cable method.
I'm running an RG16 with G Major II and Mod 50/M4. It sounds very good, but I'm thinking I would like the foot controller aspect that the G system offers to lighten up the rig a bit and ditch the looper, the Gmaj 2 and the midi controller.

So, Is there any tone suckage going on with it? Any ground loop issues or noise?
How are the effects?

I've only played through on once in some one elses rig and I remember liking it, but it was a completely different style setup than mine. Unfortunately no retailers around Cleveland ever have one, so before I make the plunge, I'm asking your opinions.

Any and all are appreciated!

Thanks!
 
don't use the 4 cable method, but it works great in every amp I have put it in the efx loop. sounds great to me, and the integrated footcontroller is awesome.
 
I use the 4 cable method with my MOD50 and with out a doubt this is the best rig combination I ever used for sound, flexibility, functionality and ease of transport.

That said, using the 4 cable method, the front end of the processor (which I only use for the wha) is a bit of a tone sucker; but not always and not for all amps.

The word on the G-System forum is that it depends on how similar the input stage of your amp is to the input stage of the G-System. It’s not a really a case of AD converters causing tone suck but impedance matching and the load your pickups see.

For me, the guitar sounds better plugged directly into the amp but I choose to compromise slightly so I can run a single expression controller for Wha, Whammy, volume or anything else I can come up and still keep a simple cluster free setup.

Now I’ve been wanting to get my hands on the Axxess buffer and see if that’s an improvement but Laird on the TC forum swears by the VHT Valvulator to give him the same tone as pluging in direct to his M4 using the G-system.

The Valvulator is hard to find and sells for around 250 and maybe a radial dragster for a lot cheaper would do the trick.

As far as the backend of the G-System in the serial loop of the MOD50 with an ebtech line level shifter, I’d say it’s pretty clean and I don’t feel there is any tone suck there what so ever.

It’s not plug n play and if you spend the time dialing in your patches and getting all your levels right, it will sound excellent.

All in all I think it’s a great flexible piece and I have all my BYOC pedals in the loops and programmed into my patches.
 
I think it sounds great when dial in,I went back and forth to get the best levels,it did take a while .I do have a Gmajor II coming with some other stuff for a different setup but I'm not going to get rid of the G system.
 
Thanks for the info guys~!
Good info.
I usually try to avoid buffers since they can ruin good tone too. But, I already have a Valvulator thats collecting dust.
I have never found anything that's totally transparent when it's inserted between guitar and amp. I just need something that doesn't sound unnatural.
I'll have to do some more research.
thanks again guys.
 
I like it best with the M4 in the "insert" loop. I don't really like the wah in it and you can bypass the AD by plugging into the return of loop 1. The unit is easy to program with the USB cord and very tweak able. I have mine rack mounted, the pedal board fits in 6 spaces and 1 space for the brain unit. I control mine with the GCX Ground Pro. It is the most neutral sounding unit I have used. I have a few emails saved explaining how to set up CC messages ,midi mapping, and a few other things that the manual does not do a good job of explaining in case you get it and have questions, you will, then shoot me a PM.

TC is slowwwwwww to respond to you email and alot of times have no clue about using there stuff with other companies products.

I still haven't figured out how to access user presets with my GCX controller but can access the factory presets. Little things like that make it a pain in the ass and make you wonder why they dont have a section in their manual for crap like that.
 
I was wondering about this unit too. It looks like it would do what I want, but I was worried about tone sucking too.

From what I read from some of the users out there, it's the solo boost setup that makes the unit really seem to change the tone of your rig. You can change the level, because the unit come stock with an attenuation of the signal, so when you hit the boost button, it pops you up a bit. That's all I know so far.....
 
Jlbaxe. thanks for the info.

I did some reading on the TC forum about this unit and it seems that it doesn't match up perfectly with the Egnater gear--more acurately, the input impedance of the Egnater gear. Guys saying a noticable difference in tone and timbre vs plugging straight into the amp. I've noticed this a bit with the M4 but not on the Mod 50.

Some over there also talk about the need for a buffer and there are a lot of folks using the Ebtech HE2 with it as well due to ground loops.

Hmm, I don't know. I don't know if I like the idea of getting into all of that. Sounds like a lot of work for a little gain.
 
muudrock,

I have a G-system that I may be selling in a couple weeks. I'm in Pittsburgh so you may be able to meet me somewhere in the middle if you want. Keep me posted if you decide you want one.
 
bscfo1":3ekvp73f said:
I was wondering about this unit too. It looks like it would do what I want, but I was worried about tone sucking too.

From what I read from some of the users out there, it's the solo boost setup that makes the unit really seem to change the tone of your rig. You can change the level, because the unit come stock with an attenuation of the signal, so when you hit the boost button, it pops you up a bit. That's all I know so far.....
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you can set the input and output levels on the unit itself. As well as assign the boost, for however much you want to boost it. Once again, I have used it with 3 different amps, and it sounds plenty fine to me. I notice more tone suck using a volume pedal and wha in front then I do with the G-system, so to me it hasn't effected anything. Right now I am using the RM4 pre loop out into the G, into stereo efx return. getting levels setup, it works great!
 
works great with the M4. I dont seem to like it with the rm100 as much. I have a tc 2290, digitech 33b ips, and a gcx with a few pedals that i seem to favor more in my other rack running through my Mod50 and 2 M4's. Im trying to get a TC 1210 spacial chorus/flanger for that number 1 rack. I might not need the Gsystem in the other rack but it is an all in one unit with alot of flexibility, light and portable.

I am going to get a lexicon MPX2 with the pedal when work picks back up, then i will compare them. :D
 
bstaley":i35aheng said:
muudrock,

I have a G-system that I may be selling in a couple weeks. I'm in Pittsburgh so you may be able to meet me somewhere in the middle if you want. Keep me posted if you decide you want one.
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Thanks man. I may just do that. Let me know if you end up letting it go.
 
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