g-system + herbert question

[scoeb city]

hey guys, i'm seriously considering buying a g system to run with my herbert. but i was wondering if when using the 4 cable method if you notice a major difference in tone when all effects on the g system are by passed? does the dry herbert signal sound processed, or as if theres a latency?

 

[bognerluv]

Actually I have a G System that I have been setting up with my Herbert. So far I have not been able to get it exactly the way I want it. It seems to loose something when I use the 4 cable method. I am pretty sure it has to do with setting the levels properly, etc. on the G. The one thing that I did notice is that the impedance on the send from the Herberts loop may be a bit hot for what the G is expecting. There are options to correct that and I am not even sure that is the issue at this point.

I know there are a few others here that have used the Herbert and G System with great success. In the meantime I am using the Nova System just in the loop. Also using to change channels, etc. via midi when a preset is selected. So far that is working out quite well. I am going to continue to work on getting the G System set up correctly though.

 

[steve_k]

With a 4 cable set up, you got preamps fighting each other and lots of ADA conversion going on. Most of the boxes, even on bypass will go through some conversion. I am curious as to why go with a 4 cable method with a fine amp such as a Herbert? Just run it through the switchable loop and let Herbie's preamp do the work. I don't use my loops at all, except for boosting the 2nd master and just run my FX in front of the amp. I cannot cope with the tonal changes and all the mucking around with mix, volume, EQ'ing and what not.

Steve

 

[bognerluv]

One reason to use the 4 cable method is so you can put effects into the 4 insert loops to get effects to the front of the amp (e.g. if you wanted an overdrive pedal to use with the clean channel). The other reason is to get the compressor and filter effects to the front of the amp as well and still have the time based effects through the serial loop.

You are correct about the ADA with the 4 cable method you have multiple ADA conversions. One of the reasons I ended up just putting the Nova System in the loop of the Herbert is because it was simpler and it sounded very good with very little effort. Just set a couple of presets with effects, setup the midi, and go. Compact and sounds very good.

 

[scoeb city]

yeah, the reason i would use the 4 cable method would be to take advantage of the switchable loops for my OD pedals and have any compression and filter effects before the preamp. and this way i could keep all my pedals in a rack and just control everything with a g system and an expression pedal.

im trying to compact my rig and not mess up my tone at the same time.

 

[steve_k]

I see. If you can get in touch with Andy (vanhellion) over here on the Diezel board, I think he wires up that way with a G-system and he actually made a YouTube video of his set up with the Herbert. You might search YouTube too. I am not familiar with the G-system though, but any excess ADA conversion is going to start gnawing away at tone. Post EQ for it all drives me nuts, so I stay away from it, especially playing live.

Steve

 

[BigDog]

4 cable method works fine for me. Nice to have my drive pedals in the loop section of the G. Check out the attached manual.

 

[Anonymous]

While I totally understand the reasoning for some of you using a G-System, I found that simply using a Nova System in the loop of my Diezels has worked out sonically better with a simpler layout.

I never use outside foot toys for boosting any Diezel signal, and although I would prefer the compressor in front of the amp input, I have mine adjusted fine without noticing any problems.

 

[scoeb city]

4 cable method works fine for me. Nice to have my drive pedals in the loop section of the G. Check out the attached manual.

thank you so much, this manual looks great!

 

[scoeb city]

While I totally understand the reasoning for some of you using a G-System, I found that simply using a Nova System in the loop of my Diezels has worked out sonically better with a simpler layout.

I never use outside foot toys for boosting any Diezel signal, and although I would prefer the compressor in front of the amp input, I have mine adjusted fine without noticing any problems.

do you use the nova system to control your amp? do you put it in the switchable loop and just switch it in when you need it ?

 

[bronz79]

hey guys, i'm seriously considering buying a g system to run with my herbert. but i was wondering if when using the 4 cable method if you notice a major difference in tone when all effects on the g system are by passed? does the dry herbert signal sound processed, or as if theres a latency?

Make note! G-system don't have a killdry feature and is not bypassable.
Even in the preset b95 (all bypassed) the conversion is active.
Most probelm concerning 4 method are of only two things:
-tone problems
-hiss/hum noise added.

With the levels set preperly the tone stay 95% intact,no audible latency.
Diezel are also quiet amplifiers even at high levels of preamp gain,of course
the 4 method amplifiers preamp noise and also pick up noise a bit.

Van Hellion uses the G with the 4 c.m...putting the whole G in the loop
you'll have the g-loops only in the fx amp loop so non comp no eq etc.

 

[bognerluv]

While I totally understand the reasoning for some of you using a G-System, I found that simply using a Nova System in the loop of my Diezels has worked out sonically better with a simpler layout.

I never use outside foot toys for boosting any Diezel signal, and although I would prefer the compressor in front of the amp input, I have mine adjusted fine without noticing any problems.

do you use the nova system to control your amp? do you put it in the switchable loop and just switch it in when you need it ?

I am in the same boat. I have worked to get the G System to work OK with the Herbert but have found that the Nova System works better, is simpler, is smaller, and has way more than I will probably ever use. Also works great for switching channels, etc. I think the G System is a great unit but I find I really do not use the majority of what is there.

 

[bognerluv]

While I totally understand the reasoning for some of you using a G-System, I found that simply using a Nova System in the loop of my Diezels has worked out sonically better with a simpler layout.

I never use outside foot toys for boosting any Diezel signal, and although I would prefer the compressor in front of the amp input, I have mine adjusted fine without noticing any problems.

do you use the nova system to control your amp? do you put it in the switchable loop and just switch it in when you need it ?

I am in the same boat. I have worked to get the G System to work OK with the Herbert but have found that the Nova System works better, is simpler, is smaller, and has way more than I will probably ever use. Also works great for switching channels, etc. I think the G System is a great unit but I find I really do not use the majority of what is there.

I just changed over the the 2 cable method with the G System and had much better results. The extra ADA for the input seems to be the issue for me because it sounds much better just having the G System in the loop. Lot's of cool functionality is lost with the 2 cables but...