Getting that "Cameron attack"?

[rafterman1969]

I was wondering if any Cameron Marshall/CCV-100 owners can comment on the what I refer to as "the Cameron attack"?

I played the CCV-100, I was able to get a really nice, chunky, percussive string attack. To get that type of attack out of other amps, I have to run a gain pedal in front of it? IMO, gain pedals destroy the character of the amps true tone. I have a Cornford MKII, and I really love the amp - but it doesn't have that "chunky" attack like the CCV-100? The tone is awesome, no doubt about it. It's just that lack of string percussion is what's missing? (That's what i call it anyway).

The only amps that I've ever played that gets that type of attack are the Zinky/Fender Prosonic, and the Boogie Mark IIC+. The C+ sounds great - but the Boogie amps don't do natural compression? I guess it's the 6L6 tubes maybe? The Prosonic is a cool amp, but they run too hot. Plus the "cool factor" just isn't there...

If anyone has any ideas as to why some amps can get that type of sound - please do tell. I was going to sell my Cornford, but I think I'd regret it. I really want to order a CCV-100, but my fiance would kick me in the balls if buy another amp without selling one first!

 

[jerrydyer]

You wont get that secret. Mark has already given away too much crap. How many dudes have marks mods or part of his mods in there line of amps? ABout a half a dozen. And coincidentally It was right after he went into great detail about the jose schems 5 years ago or so on the metro forum. And by the way they are still reading it partially worng. The "attack is unique and is acheived in a unique way that will remain unknown until the right person rips apart a CCV I guess. Even then they might mis-interpret.

 

[jerrydyer]

just by a CCV or CCM. If you want me to add you I can get you one by mid spring, for sure quite possibly earlier.

 

[rafterman1969]

Oh no. I don't want any secrets revealed... I just wanted to hear from other of their opinions on this. I have had other Cornford owners who disagree with my softer attack feel of the MKII50. I've owned two MKII50's, so I know it's not just my the MKII50 that i own. I'm definitely going to get a CCV head for sure. Just gotta unload some other stuff first.

 

[rafterman1969]

The attack is what I love about the CCV... BUT, the way it is designed, if you move the Punch and Presence voicing to the right, the amp gets a softer smooth sound that is very similar to the Bogner sound (to my ears) The way Mark adds treble to the gain pots is also a nice factor in getting that "attack".

This is good to know... Thanks! A lot of amps just get too dark when you hit the gain channel, and seem to lose picking dynamics? I've always had to use a TS9 to slam the tubes - but then I lose the natural low-end of the amp. Is the "punch" the resonance control?

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

Yea,

Marks amps have that boosted feel and sound IF you want it.... they also do the low and mid gain thing so killer to. When you flip the Gain Style switch above the masters on the ccv it goes from one thing to another, OPEN plexi, MID gain , and lastly Cameron Hi gain like no other... it's really cool. And still cleans up very well withe volume and is organic...The CCV is a pretty simple amp to setup once you are very familiar with the controls, to anyone not familiar there is ALOT to digest.

My favorite thing about Marks amps are the feel, the PUNCH, saturation, unique mid bark and howl , percussive bass that never gets loose and sloppy, and most importantly the highs are smooth yet cutting, whatever he does to make the highs sound the way they do is just killer. It's almost like the highs are filtered , never gritty and gravely sounding...to Me that's what sets apart Cameron's from others, i think some get close but fall short with grittier highs and looser bottom, and none really nail the feel....

 

[Heritage Softail]

I was wondering if any Cameron Marshall/CCV-100 owners can comment on the what I refer to as "the Cameron attack"?

I played the CCV-100, I was able to get a really nice, chunky, percussive string attack. To get that type of attack out of other amps, I have to run a gain pedal in front of it? IMO, gain pedals destroy the character of the amps true tone. I have a Cornford MKII, and I really love the amp - but it doesn't have that "chunky" attack like the CCV-100? The tone is awesome, no doubt about it. It's just that lack of string percussion is what's missing? (That's what i call it anyway).

The only amps that I've ever played that gets that type of attack are the Zinky/Fender Prosonic, and the Boogie Mark IIC+. The C+ sounds great - but the Boogie amps don't do natural compression? I guess it's the 6L6 tubes maybe? The Prosonic is a cool amp, but they run too hot. Plus the "cool factor" just isn't there...

If anyone has any ideas as to why some amps can get that type of sound - please do tell. I was going to sell my Cornford, but I think I'd regret it. I really want to order a CCV-100, but my fiance would kick me in the balls if buy another amp without selling one first!

Interesting.... I walked in to Guitar Center and plugged in to a Zinky and bought it immediately. It has turned into my grab and go jam amp.

You gotta explian to the finance that your gear determines how high your musical bar is set, your hands and fingers determine how close you get to that bar. Great gear will help you reach your potential. How could she love you and not want you to reach your full potential. Recently stolen from EXP....

 

[rafterman1969]

I was wondering if any Cameron Marshall/CCV-100 owners can comment on the what I refer to as "the Cameron attack"?

I played the CCV-100, I was able to get a really nice, chunky, percussive string attack. To get that type of attack out of other amps, I have to run a gain pedal in front of it? IMO, gain pedals destroy the character of the amps true tone. I have a Cornford MKII, and I really love the amp - but it doesn't have that "chunky" attack like the CCV-100? The tone is awesome, no doubt about it. It's just that lack of string percussion is what's missing? (That's what i call it anyway).

The only amps that I've ever played that gets that type of attack are the Zinky/Fender Prosonic, and the Boogie Mark IIC+. The C+ sounds great - but the Boogie amps don't do natural compression? I guess it's the 6L6 tubes maybe? The Prosonic is a cool amp, but they run too hot. Plus the "cool factor" just isn't there...

If anyone has any ideas as to why some amps can get that type of sound - please do tell. I was going to sell my Cornford, but I think I'd regret it. I really want to order a CCV-100, but my fiance would kick me in the balls if buy another amp without selling one first!

Interesting.... I walked in to Guitar Center and plugged in to a Zinky and bought it immediately. It has turned into my grab and go jam amp.

You gotta explian to the finance that your gear determines how high your musical bar is set, your hands and fingers determine how close you get to that bar. Great gear will help you reach your potential. How could she love you and not want you to reach your full potential. Recently stolen from EXP....

Mine wasn't an actual Zinky, but it was designed by Bruce Zinky. Apparently, the early model Prosonic amps had better transformers in them?

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

Horse apples!


IMHO you're a knucklehead if you sell the MK-50 II to get a CCV.


i've played them both side by side, which was actually top to bottom, and by far prefered the MK-50 II.


both great amps, just deferent. if you perceaved there to be a deference in attack i'd attribute more of that to 50watt vs 100watt than anything.

 

[rafterman1969]

Horse apples!


IMHO you're a knucklehead if you sell the MK-50 II to get a CCV.


i've played them both side by side, which was actually top to bottom, and by far prefered the MK-50 II.


both great amps, just deferent. if you perceaved there to be a deference in attack i'd attribute more of that to 50watt vs 100watt than anything.

I see where you're going... I should order a custom 100 watt MKII like Gary Moore. I'm in!

I'm not expecting to see a CCV at GC any time soon. I'm hoping that Jerry will purchase the rights to the CCV?

The MKII is a tone machine for sure! It has a sound that one truly craves in the absence thereof. I'm not selling my MKII - ever!

I had a guy on TGP begging me to sell him my MKII after I dropped the listing. Said he was sick, crippled, dying...etc.

I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THE CCV IS $3,500.00 USD! No CCV for me. Last I heard they were $2,900.00 USD?

 

[se7en]

Horse apples!


IMHO you're a knucklehead if you sell the MK-50 II to get a CCV.


i've played them both side by side, which was actually top to bottom, and by far prefered the MK-50 II.


both great amps, just deferent. if you perceaved there to be a deference in attack i'd attribute more of that to 50watt vs 100watt than anything.

I see where you're going... I should order a custom 100 watt MKII like Gary Moore. I'm in!

I'm not expecting to see a CCV at GC any time soon. I'm hoping that Jerry will purchase the rights to the CCV?

The MKII is a tone machine for sure! It has a sound that one truly craves in the absence thereof. I'm not selling my MKII - ever!

I had a guy on TGP begging me to sell him my MKII after I dropped the listing. Said he was sick, crippled, dying...etc.

I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THE CCV IS $3,500.00 USD! No CCV for me. Last I heard they were $2,900.00 USD?

3000 is what I was told a week ago.

 

[rafterman1969]

Horse apples!


IMHO you're a knucklehead if you sell the MK-50 II to get a CCV.


i've played them both side by side, which was actually top to bottom, and by far prefered the MK-50 II.


both great amps, just deferent. if you perceaved there to be a deference in attack i'd attribute more of that to 50watt vs 100watt than anything.

I see where you're going... I should order a custom 100 watt MKII like Gary Moore. I'm in!

I'm not expecting to see a CCV at GC any time soon. I'm hoping that Jerry will purchase the rights to the CCV?

The MKII is a tone machine for sure! It has a sound that one truly craves in the absence thereof. I'm not selling my MKII - ever!

I had a guy on TGP begging me to sell him my MKII after I dropped the listing. Said he was sick, crippled, dying...etc.

I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THE CCV IS $3,500.00 USD! No CCV for me. Last I heard they were $2,900.00 USD?

3000 is what I was told a week ago.

A member sent me a PM and said that I have to send $3,500.00 to Mark to order one... Is this true?

 

[se7en]

Horse apples!


IMHO you're a knucklehead if you sell the MK-50 II to get a CCV.


i've played them both side by side, which was actually top to bottom, and by far prefered the MK-50 II.


both great amps, just deferent. if you perceaved there to be a deference in attack i'd attribute more of that to 50watt vs 100watt than anything.

I see where you're going... I should order a custom 100 watt MKII like Gary Moore. I'm in!

I'm not expecting to see a CCV at GC any time soon. I'm hoping that Jerry will purchase the rights to the CCV?

The MKII is a tone machine for sure! It has a sound that one truly craves in the absence thereof. I'm not selling my MKII - ever!

I had a guy on TGP begging me to sell him my MKII after I dropped the listing. Said he was sick, crippled, dying...etc.

I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THE CCV IS $3,500.00 USD! No CCV for me. Last I heard they were $2,900.00 USD?

3000 is what I was told a week ago.

A member sent me a PM and said that I have to send $3,500.00 to Mark to order one... Is this true?

That's not my understanding. Jerry from Surreal is handling the business aspects and said that when your name comes up on the list, that's when they'll be taking the majority of the 3000 for a down payment...after that they build you your amp.

 

[rafterman1969]

Horse apples!


IMHO you're a knucklehead if you sell the MK-50 II to get a CCV.


i've played them both side by side, which was actually top to bottom, and by far prefered the MK-50 II.


both great amps, just deferent. if you perceaved there to be a deference in attack i'd attribute more of that to 50watt vs 100watt than anything.

I see where you're going... I should order a custom 100 watt MKII like Gary Moore. I'm in!

I'm not expecting to see a CCV at GC any time soon. I'm hoping that Jerry will purchase the rights to the CCV?

The MKII is a tone machine for sure! It has a sound that one truly craves in the absence thereof. I'm not selling my MKII - ever!

I had a guy on TGP begging me to sell him my MKII after I dropped the listing. Said he was sick, crippled, dying...etc.

I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THE CCV IS $3,500.00 USD! No CCV for me. Last I heard they were $2,900.00 USD?

3000 is what I was told a week ago.

A member sent me a PM and said that I have to send $3,500.00 to Mark to order one... Is this true?

That's not my understanding. Jerry from Surreal is handling the business aspects and said that when your name comes up on the list, that's when they'll be taking the majority of the 3000 for a down payment...after that they build you your amp.

That sounds fair to me.

 

[ericsabbath]

If anyone has any ideas as to why some amps can get that type of sound

robust and efficient transformers, probably low coupling capacitors for the preamp (lot of bass cut), depth circuit, high voltages, proper filtering