Getting these tones....

[PSGuitar]

Anyone have suggestions on getting these tones with the Mod 50?

Alice in Chains?

Stone Temple Pilots?

A Perfect Circle?

Thanks!

 

[mboogman]

I've heard that the Randall XTC (with upgraded components of course) can do the AIC stuff. Not sure about the others. I'll know more once my XTC comes in later this week.

 

[Flump]

Anyone have suggestions on getting these tones with the Mod 50?

Alice in Chains?

Stone Temple Pilots?

A Perfect Circle?

Thanks!

Are you looking for one module that has the best chance of doing all 3 or just whatever module will do each sound?

I think EG3/4x would be the 1 that migiht be able to do all 3 decently. It's my favorite module by far. I use it to get a mixture of AIC/Muse/Tool tones. Very Bogner/Diezelish.

Sl2x could probably do APC and STP fairly well. Definitely wouldn't have the low-mid chunkyness needed for Cantrells tone.

 

[muudrock]

EG5 will cover the AIC stuff no problem.

SL2(x) for the STP and EG3/4 for the APC.

Also....the VX module, Chb can do a really good STP.

 

[PSGuitar]

Thanks, since I have the Mod 50...I am limited in which modules I can use at once. For this reason I thought about getting rid of it and getting the Egnater M4 and the Randall RT2/50. However, I love the feel and tone of the Mod 50. I do have the EG3/4X but I use a 500pf tube board cap instead of 150 or 250. Maybe I should have used the 150pF but I am not a big treble guy. LOL. Sometimes I think the EG3/4X takes away some of those lovely low mid tones you get with the stock EG3/4X. I sometimes think about going back.

I had the SL2X but much preferred the SL2. I found the SL2X too bright and harsh to my ears. It became thinned out too I thought.....
I could not bond with it soloing.

Right now I have been trying to cover as much as possible with two modules. I started using the SL as my first module instead of the Bassman. I love the Bassman but with the SL channel A I can get pretty darn good clean tones. Then I have the great Plexi/Marshall tones of the channel B! I might use this for the more STP and APC type tones. I bet I could also get those tones with the SL2 in slot 2. Does not have to be perfect, as nobody will really care, LOL! I mean I have friends who gig with a JCM 800 and cover three sets of covers and sounds great....so I am being picky!

I am either going to try SL/SL2 or SL/EG3/4X(500pf tube board). I'd be curious if anyone compares different tube board caps to know if going from a 500pf to a 150pf will be huge or cn I just turn up the treble, LOL.

I can get many of these modules sounding similar anyway. I thought I recal having cut issues with the EG3/4 stock for rhythm in the band context but its been a while.

I would like the Vox too.....

We do all originals but we do some covers...Pearl Jam, STP, Alice, Nirvana, etc.

 

[muudrock]

Well, all three tones you mentioned are from Marshalls or Marshall/British flavored circuits so I'd think you could cut it all with the SL2.

I guess I have a rebel SL2x because mine is so freakin warm it's scary. I'm thinking that has to do with the Mod 50 power section plus the speakers and cabs more than anything. I actually love it in the Mod 50, but not so much in he M4/RT250 setup. Never shrill or overly bright. My EG3/4X is actually warmer sounding than my "Stock" EG3/4 with 500uf tube board cap.

So much depends on your particular rig.

 

[Doubleneck]

Well, all three tones you mentioned are from Marshalls or Marshall/British flavored circuits so I'd think you could cut it all with the SL2.

+1

 

[PSGuitar]

Muudrock, I know what you mean. Maybe I need to give the SL2X another try. I run the Mod 50 with a TM212 with Scumbacks.

What do you think makes it warmer????? Maybe the upper mids add cut so you can run less treble?

 

[muudrock]

Muudrock, I know what you mean. Maybe I need to give the SL2X another try. I run the Mod 50 with a TM212 with Scumbacks.

What do you think makes it warmer????? Maybe the upper mids add cut so you can run less treble?

I think it definitely has to do with the shift of the mids in the X versions. Seems to scoop out the low midrange which accentuates the lows and with the upper mid spike the highs are perceived to be rounder. FWIW, I am somewhat of a treble nazi and never run the treble controls high. I adjust the presence control to whatever cabinet I'm using to dial in the cut--which also helps accent the mids. Right now on the SL2X the treble control is at 11:00ish. Same with the EG3/4X.

The Scumbacks are excellent speakers and I love them with Marshall base Egnater modules.

 

[richedie]

So if the X scoops the low mids...I guess it does the same on the EG3/4X?!?!?! I mean the EG3/4 is a lot of low mids which makes it great. I don't hear the low mid loss with the EG3/4X like you mention with the SL2X.

 

[Buckeyedog]

Muudrock, I know what you mean. Maybe I need to give the SL2X another try. I run the Mod 50 with a TM212 with Scumbacks.

What do you think makes it warmer????? Maybe the upper mids add cut so you can run less treble?

I didn't think you had your scumbacks yet?? So do you like them??

 

[muudrock]

Muudrock, I know what you mean. Maybe I need to give the SL2X another try. I run the Mod 50 with a TM212 with Scumbacks.

What do you think makes it warmer????? Maybe the upper mids add cut so you can run less treble?

I didn't think you had your scumbacks yet?? So do you like them??

I picked a couple up used from a guy locally who didn't like them for the hardcore stuff he plays. Ordered 2 more before Jim went on vaction. Let's just say I had a bit of a tonal wake up call when I finally got to hear my rig through the Scumbacks. They are unlike anything I've tried before. I usually don't buy into the hype around gear, but I really do think these speakers are a huge improvement over anything I've used up to this point and I've tried a ton.

 

[richedie]

I am getting the H75/M75 mix and hopefully they work for classic rock to hard rock.

MuudRock did you see what I said about the SL2X scooping the low mids? I love low mids....to me that adds girth to the tone. I wonder if the same happens with the EG3/4X....scooped low mids!

 

[Doubleneck]

Muudrock, I know what you mean. Maybe I need to give the SL2X another try. I run the Mod 50 with a TM212 with Scumbacks.

What do you think makes it warmer????? Maybe the upper mids add cut so you can run less treble?

I didn't think you had your scumbacks yet?? So do you like them??

I picked a couple up used from a guy locally who didn't like them for the hardcore stuff he plays. Ordered 2 more before Jim went on vaction. Let's just say I had a bit of a tonal wake up call when I finally got to hear my rig through the Scumbacks. They are unlike anything I've tried before. I usually don't buy into the hype around gear, but I really do think these speakers are a huge improvement over anything I've used up to this point and I've tried a ton.

Which Scumbacks are you using?

 

[muudrock]

Muudrock, I know what you mean. Maybe I need to give the SL2X another try. I run the Mod 50 with a TM212 with Scumbacks.

What do you think makes it warmer????? Maybe the upper mids add cut so you can run less treble?

I didn't think you had your scumbacks yet?? So do you like them??

I picked a couple up used from a guy locally who didn't like them for the hardcore stuff he plays. Ordered 2 more before Jim went on vaction. Let's just say I had a bit of a tonal wake up call when I finally got to hear my rig through the Scumbacks. They are unlike anything I've tried before. I usually don't buy into the hype around gear, but I really do think these speakers are a huge improvement over anything I've used up to this point and I've tried a ton.

Which Scumbacks are you using?

M75 65 watters

 

[richedie]

M75 65 watters

Muudrock, in a 212 or 412? Why not the recommended H75/M75 mix? Apparently the H75 really helps make the otne more full and brings out the cleans better.

 

[muudrock]

M75 65 watters

Muudrock, in a 212 or 412? Why not the recommended H75/M75 mix? Apparently the H75 really helps make the otne more full and brings out the cleans better.

Tried em in 1x12 and 4x12. Currently in my older Egnater 4x12 with 2 V30's. Jim recommended the M75s for what I'm looking for. H75s are a possibility but honestly I don't know if I see the need.

In the Eggie 112x, the M75 sounds really good and in the 4x12, lights out.

 

[richedie]

muudrock, I think Jim recommended the H/M mix for me because I am using a 212. I only have 212 cabs so it seems the H/M is the going recommendation for 212s.

 

[jlbaxe]

I agree EG5

 

[richedie]

Had the EG5 and hated it. Was a gainy mess to me.