Good Noisegate

[borkincz]

Hi guys, please give me someone advise for a good noisegate pedal or rack unit..
I´d like to buy one to use with my VH4 and rack and stompbox effect units in midi looper (GCX Voodoo Lab) ..

Have anyone experiense for example with Boss NS-2 pedal.. is it really good enough?
Thanks a lot for any advise

 

[petereanima]

i use the boss NS-2 at the moment. its "o.k." but it affects tone a little bit (esp. at the low end).

ISP decimator would be my choice! available as stomp box and rack unit!

 

[i.ak]

I use ISP Technologies Decimator Pro rack G. Works extremely well, except that it makes annoying ground loop -- easy to cure!!

Boss NS-2 gets you started, but eventually you will change it to something else. ISP also makes Decimator pedals, but I cannot comment on those.

Check also Rocktron HUSH-line, which used units and pedals seem to be rather affordable. I used to have Rocktron HUSH Super C (a rack unit), which was OK, but the ISP was a clear winner.

 

[borkincz]

I use ISP Technologies Decimator Pro rack G. Works extremely well, except that it makes annoying ground loop -- easy to cure!!

Boss NS-2 gets you started, but eventually you will change it to something else. ISP also makes Decimator pedals, but I cannot comment on those.

Check also Rocktron HUSH-line, which used units and pedals seem to be rather affordable. I used to have Rocktron HUSH Super C (a rack unit), which was OK, but the ISP was a clear winner.

Oh, thanks.. How you cure that ´annoying ground loop´, thanks

 

[i.ak]

I use ISP Technologies Decimator Pro rack G. Works extremely well, except that it makes annoying ground loop -- easy to cure!!

Boss NS-2 gets you started, but eventually you will change it to something else. ISP also makes Decimator pedals, but I cannot comment on those.

Check also Rocktron HUSH-line, which used units and pedals seem to be rather affordable. I used to have Rocktron HUSH Super C (a rack unit), which was OK, but the ISP was a clear winner.

Oh, thanks.. How you cure that ´annoying ground loop´, thanks

By isolating the device. Read: cutting the ground from the return signal . Also i.e. Palmer PLI-01 is more than welcome tool for uncertain people having ground loop issues.

 

[i.ak]

By the way, are you sure you need a noise gate?

VH4 is a really quiet amp (I have one as well) so I have hard time believe that it seldom needs a noise gate. What's the symptoms you want to solve with the noise gate? Could e.g. a ground loop (AC hum) be your issue?

 

[borkincz]

By the way, are you sure you need a noise gate?

VH4 is a really quiet amp (I have one as well) so I have hard time believe that it seldom needs a noise gate. What's the symptoms you want to solve with the noise gate? Could e.g. a ground loop (AC hum) be your issue?

Hi, thanks for replies..
the reason why I am thinking for a noise gate is, the feadback because of beeing so near to the amp in practice room with band..
and the second was the noise issues from the effects in the loop ( yes the AC humm too) and by the way my rack version Line 6 Echo Pro provides hum too when is in the effect chain).. I need to solve this problem... when I use distortion channels.. it´s not so big deal.. i´s not so loud.. but for clean channel it is a bit disturbing, but only.. when the effect is bypassed.. only for pure amp clean.. when it is effected.. the main part of the hum is covered with the delays and so..so itś not so noticeable... the hum is boering in silence parts of songs.. but ofcourse, it´s not so big humm to make me mad

 

[i.ak]

By the way, are you sure you need a noise gate?

VH4 is a really quiet amp (I have one as well) so I have hard time believe that it seldom needs a noise gate. What's the symptoms you want to solve with the noise gate? Could e.g. a ground loop (AC hum) be your issue?

Hi, thanks for replies..
the reason why I am thinking for a noise gate is, the feadback because of beeing so near to the amp in practice room with band..
and the second was the noise issues from the effects in the loop ( yes the AC humm too) and by the way my rack version Line 6 Echo Pro provides hum too when is in the effect chain).. I need to solve this problem... when I use distortion channels.. it´s not so big deal.. i´s not so loud.. but for clean channel it is a bit disturbing, but only.. when the effect is bypassed.. only for pure amp clean.. when it is effected.. the main part of the hum is covered with the delays and so..so itś not so noticeable... the hum is boering in silence parts of songs.. but ofcourse, it´s not so big humm to make me mad

For feedback killing i think that especially the ISP is suberb. However, when used in such a "extreme" settings it will begin to have a bit impact on your tone.

It is very likely that you have a ground loop in your system. If you want to get the easy way and have extra EUR 70 (approximate value in Euros + I don't know where you are located) buy a Palmer PLI-01 (see link bellow). Those are very handy and can be used in various applications plus they are almost impossible to break (drove a car accidentaly over one Palmer DI-box ). You can always find someone who will need such if you do not so its not that risky investment.

http://www.adamhall.com/de/AH_K--Palmer ... __b--PLI01

 

[borkincz]

Oh, thanlks a lot man..

I´ll try that Palmer.. I´m from Czech Republic.. no problem to order from Deutschland
And where to put this Palmer into the effect chain? At the and or beggining.. or between the rack unit out and amps loop return? Do I need only one peace to solve the problem from the all units in my rack?

And I´ll try ISP too.. because of feedback.. I don´t use of course extreme settings.. but sometimes also at home.. when I practice with my VH4 on fourth or third channel and sitting next to the amp..there´s usually feedback when I stop playing or in longer pauses between notes.. of course I don´t use such extreme settings, that I have feedback during playing

 

[i.ak]

As a beginning try to identify which equipment is making the humm. Take them out of the chain one by one until you know which one it is. Also, note that the equipment's metal chassises or connecting holes/"ears" might be the source of the loop.

If you decide to purchase a Palmer, first insert it as a last in the chain. So it will be placed in the signal path just before the return to the VH4's loop. The idea is to cut the loop (think a circle), thus only one Palmer unit will be enough if all other interfering ground connections will be eliminated as well -- remember the chassises!!

You might also want to try AH "humfees" for isolating potential sources of ground hum. (https://www.thomann.de/fi/adam_hall_humfrees_5635.htm) Also, some rubber mat pieces are handy for isolation between long and heavy rack units, which tend to bend a bit so that they might touch each other.

By the way, you can also get the Palmer unit from Thomann if you prefer.

 

[van hellion]

isp prorack g, i love mine.

peace
A Wood

 

[supersonic]

isp prorack g, i love mine.

peace
A Wood

I have an ISP prorack sitting in the cupboard, and have never felt the need to use it with my Herbert. How does it improve the amp/sound Andy? How do you route yours'?

 

[van hellion]

i have the one with the extra buffered out (stereo mod) i go into isp, isp to g system front, back to isp, to herbert front, herbert send to isp, isp to gsystem back to herbert. when i dont need the gate i open up the threshholds but when im in some shitty noisy venue i have the option. my motto is its better to have and not need than to need and not have

peace
A Wood

 

[i.ak]

i have the one with the extra buffered out (stereo mod) i go into isp, isp to g system front, back to isp, to herbert front, herbert send to isp, isp to gsystem back to herbert. when i dont need the gate i open up the threshholds but when im in some shitty noisy venue i have the option. my motto is its better to have and not need than to need and not have

peace
A Wood

Completely agree with you Andy and I do exactly the same, except for the routing due to different setups .

 

[borkincz]

Thanks guys, these are advises I needed
Nice feel, to know, where to ask and with quick response..
I love Diezel Family

 

[Peter Diezel]

Noisegate for Diezels ?

 

[borkincz]

Noisegate for Diezels ?

Don´t worry Peter!!!

In my opinion, the amp itself, when used only with cab and good guitar, doesn´t need noisegate in normal use situation
Noisegate is only needed for freaks like me, who uses it loud with gain over noon and stands so close to it ..