Herbert in a band situation?

[Gybo]

Hi guys, I'm new here!

I'm planning to buy an hi-end hi-gain amp, and I'm really thinking to an herbert. But I've heard people that have kept it for few weeks or months and then get rid of it. The main reason is that, even if it sounds pretty good if u are playing alone, in a band situation the amp is buried by others instruments and sounds very thin!!!!! I hardly believe in these comments, but since the amp is so expensive I want to be sure of where my money goes!

How it sounds toghether with the drums, bass, another guitar and a vocalist?

I want a death metal tone. I have a detuned jem 7v and I'm interested in a super defined tone in palm muting and open chords. The distortion must be brutal but well-defined!

 

[petereanima]

I want a death metal tone. I have a detuned jem 7v and I'm interested in a super defined tone in palm muting and open chords. The distortion must be brutal but well-defined!

i play also death metal, also with detuned 7strings, and i do this with the Herbert, and Herbert does this bettern than every other amp imho.

I'm planning to buy an hi-end hi-gain amp, and I'm really thinking to an herbert. But I've heard people that have kept it for few weeks or months and then get rid of it. The main reason is that, even if it sounds pretty good if u are playing alone, in a band situation the amp is buried by others instruments and sounds very thin!!!!! I hardly believe in these comments, but since the amp is so expensive I want to be sure of where my money goes!

well, i dont know these guys, but if they tried the same EQ-settings for "at home playing" for the band-situation, than its no wonder that this does not work. i have different settings for home-playing, than for band-playing.

but "thin" and "buried by other instruments"? seems like these guys turned out the mids, and activated the mid-cut. i mean, even THEN it sounds nowhere near "thin" but you can of course get lost in a band-situation.

"thin" and "Herbert" are two words that do not fit, never ever, in no situation. maybe they have cheap cabinets? a good cab is needed for tight bass-response of course.

How it sounds toghether with the drums, bass, another guitar and a vocalist?

just simply awesome. try it, love it, keep it.

jokes aside: try every amp you can get, but the Herbert does of course everything you mentioned. its a monstrous beast, and its tone slays little children.

 

[shadow070]

Im also in the same boat as you. I have the ENGL SE at the moment but want a more modern sound, i hope the Herbert will do fine. Its just how it will sit in a band situation.

 

[Hartmut]

Hmm this could also depend on the box you play. I use a 4x12 FL with the G12K100 and i have to be very carefull not to cut the others to pieces Cuts through every mix

 

[shadow070]

Well, im using a Engl pro 2X12 v30. I dont know iff its front or rear loaded.

 

[petereanima]

the V30laoded Engl cabs will work great with the Herbert (Despite what Duesentrieb will say ).

 

[shadow070]

Dont worry i love the engl v30

It all depend what amp you use in what situation. I actually loved the engl se with a cheap framus 2X12. It made the amp sound so agressive but with a heavenly responce.

Its just not normal to know how much a cab effects the amp voicing respoce feel etc.

Sorry for my bad english.

 

[duesentrieb]

the V30laoded Engl cabs will work great with the Herbert (Despite what Duesentrieb will say ).

The trick is hidden in the cab - and the setting of the presence depending of the volume level, thats true. One can use the presence pot, you know. Its not just there to be looked at high noon . . .

 

[Gybo]

Thank you friends, now I'm more relaxed!

So, I'll buy the herbie without doubts, but another question arises: I'll buy a Diezel 4x12 cab, but I want also to keep mine, a Marshall mod. 1982 A, as I want 2 cabs, one on the floor and one over the other cab (this way I'll hear my guitar from a source at the same high of my ears, so I can keep a volume not exaggerate).

First thing: Do you think it can be good to put toghether a marshall cab with a diezel cab?

Second thing: I didn't catch the difference between the 2 models of Diezel 4x12 cabs...

Anyone?

 

[duesentrieb]

frontloaded and rearloaded.

frontloaded more punchy and tight
rearloaded, well, less tight and punchy

What's the impedance of that Marshall cab?

 

[Gybo]

frontloaded and rearloaded.

frontloaded more punchy and tight
rearloaded, well, less tight and punchy

What's the impedance of that Marshall cab?

So a frontloaded cab is more indicated for my needs (brutal death)? Ok, thx

I don't remember the impedance of the marshall, I'm not at home now. Why you ask this?

 

[petereanima]

for your style absolutely a frontloaded cab!

 

[Gybo]

for your style absolutely a frontloaded cab!

Ok, but what do you think about a marshall cab and a diezel cab working toghether with an herbert?

 

[petereanima]

never tried that. i once had the herbert on a standard 1960 marshall cab (G12T75-loaded) and did not really like it.

 

[mincy]

Ok, but what do you think about a marshall cab and a diezel cab working toghether with an herbert?

Depends on the impedance. If both cabs are 8ohm or both are 16ohm, you'll be fine. If both are 4ohm, you're either going to be rewiring the cabs or not using both of them.

As far as them working together, depends on the speakers and what you like. If we're talking a G12T75 loaded Marshall with a V30 loaded Diezel, I personally think it will sound fantastic. I run a 4x12 with a mix of those speakers and I love it with my Herbert.

I heard the same crap about the Herbert getting lost in the mix with a band before I bought mine and so far my experience contradicts it all. The Herbert cuts through the mix and sounds fantastic. My drummer bitches when I don't bring the Herbert and use my Mesa Mark III because he likes the sound of the Herbert better and he can hear me more clearly. For the record, the other guitarist is playing through a Mesa Single Rectifier and the Herbert can bury the Rectifier in the mix, which is no easy task. Know your EQ and know your room and you'll have no problem with the Herbert.

 

[Gybo]

Thank you all!

I can't wait to buy it!!!

 

[van hellion]

herbert rips through band mixes like a jedi knight even dialed for the worst sound possible it still sounds usable, unlike other amps i owened (mark iv, if she wasnt dialed in perfect forget about it) you can check my links for sounds of herbert crushing through mixes both live and studio. great amp, you wont be selling it after a few weeks i promise.
peace
A Wood

 

[Plugmein]

Im also in the same boat as you. I have the ENGL SE at the moment but want a more modern sound, i hope the Herbert will do fine. Its just how it will sit in a band situation.

The Diezel Herbert paired with a Diezel, Bogner, Engl, or VHT 4x12 will give you your Modern Metal Madness. But I have one question. How do you not get a modern metal tone from a Engl E670? I own a E 670 and like the Herbert it will give you all you need, but you must have a cabinet that can take the low frequencies without getting to muddy. A well built 4x12 will work best, but you still have to dial the amp in. If the Herbert doesn't fit in the mix then it's the player.

 

[shadow070]

Well,i have the se 2/3 years and got tired of the voicing. Se is more the rodded marshall and i hope the herb the rodded mesa. I am more a plug and play guy and you know mesa dont worry ill keep the engl and enjoy both worlds.

 

[küsu]

Hi

I'm a little bit late, maybe i can still help

If you want the most cutting throug singing tone, you will get better amps than the herbert (mesa rectifier, engl...). i love the herbert for his pumping power. herbert is the best amp to support the band with your guitar in almost any modern style. If you are indeed looking for well defined distortion, high dynamics and brutality you will love channel 2 of the herbert.
Greetings, Küsu