Herbert recording help

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Guys,

Ill be moving to an appartment soon.

At the moment i have a windows based computer with a old build-in mic preamp from terratec 24/96(old unit). I already tried the recording out on the Herbert and i got the most awfull tone ever, OMFG! i mic the amp with a sm57 and get passible results(altough i havent recorded in ages).

I read on the net about speaker sim software (IMPULSES) is this the way to go for the recording out of the herbert? should this help the problem? i dont need pro tone but just good passible tone.

I use adobe audition as my DAW.

I already read alot of forums and theres alot going on with micing etc. i thought that i would get the best help on the Diezel forum from other Diezel users :thumbsup:
 
The way I record my Herbert at the moment is with an ISO-cab from tubetown loaded with a V30 and a SM57. I also use the line-out direct to my interface and use a Recabinet IR and mix those two sounds.
The IRs sound far beyond what I expected it would do, quite usable actually. Check Hunter's topic for some good sounds. Keep in mind though that you'll need to have a dummy load when only using the line-out.
My DAW is Logic Pro and load those IRs with space designer.
 
Maybe i did something wrong:
Guitar direct in amp
Amp connected to cab
compensated out to soundcard input(mic input)

tone:not good :lol: :LOL:

As i understand: the compansated out can be put in direct in to the mixing board so it should be ready, so it should be good in the soundcard direct. Or do i have to open the master section for this? than ill deff. need a dummy load.

I havent tried impulses yet

I also read about di boxes, i could put this between the amp and speaker cab and direct the signal to the prcessor, right? should be a cheap way to accomplish the goal.


OK, i want to record. My drummer has a digital drum kit from roland, a td-20 or something. I wanted to record my work at home and give or send him the tracks, this way he could do his part in the daw. This way we could compleet some demos in a easy way with passible audio qwality.
 
You did it right but it won't sound great on its own.
The direct-out doesn't sound great on its own but used with some IRs and it will get better. It will probably never be my main sound but it's really cool to experiment with it. And yes, the direct-out uses the master section.
 
Thanks.

Ill look in to buying a dummy load than. Opening the master will be to much.

:rock:
 
for home use you will get very good results if you take the signal out of your "send" jack, and use IR after that. In this case your signal won't depend on the master volume, only on the channel volume, and you can even record with the master volume at zero.
Be aware though that the "send" signal will sound extremely harsh on its own, it's actually very normal, it won't be usable at all without some speaker simulation (IR or any other kind), while the compensated out, being already filtered, will probably sound too muffled if you apply another speaker compensation.
 
I use an ISO Cab and it works great. I'll start posting some clips up at some point soon for comparisons.
I'm really interested in getting into working with IR because I've heard some amazing recordings done this way.

:)
 
Ill first look in to impulses again and try the send out.

I have looked also for isocabs but there expensive http://www.boxofdoom.nl/pricing.php
The best i found and only about 20 min. with the car for me. I have thought to check them out but im not willing to spend that amount now.
 
When you have to keep the master down and like me have an older Herbert that needs the master turned up to get a signal at the preamp out you can use the FX-Send.
Just run the Send (I used the serial loop) into your interface and then use a impulse as cabsim. I use Voxengo Boogex with disabled amp and Catharsis Impulses usually, here are the links if needed:

http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/
http://catharsis.supremepixels.com/impulses/

Looking forward to hear some results, let me know if you need further help ;)
 
Thanks alot guys.

Im quit bussy with work, i hope to get a clear view about this asap. From what ive read, its quit simple.
Well i hope to have something of quality and id like one of my songs on the main diezel site :confused: who knows. I have been bussy working on my skills for the last year and havent created something in such a long time, while this is the key ''thing'' for me about music.

Ill let you know if it doesn't work out for me
 
I did a quick recording the way I mentioned in my first post, you can check it here.
With a bit tweaking and better playing you could get a pretty descent sound.
 
Another option is the Palmer PDI-03 or PGA-04 speaker simulator. I've used both, and they sound great if you just remember to compensate the tone out of your Herbert to "fit" the Palmers. I always use the Palmer as an integrated part of the Herbert when I adjust the sound, and the BIG advantage is that the recorded sound will be exactly what you hear out of your monitors when you play your guitar! There's also the Sequis Motherload, but personally I feel the Palmers are more value for money, since the Sequis is quite expensive. The Sequis also have a built in attenuator though, which the Palmers don't have.

A Palmer costs less than a 2x12" cab, and you don't need a mic :)
 
Do you have any experiance with the PDI-09= its quite cheaper than the pdi-03

Ive also ssen that the pdi03 only handels 100W RMS the Herbert is 200W should this give any problems
 
shadow070":gio2eubb said:
Do you have any experiance with the PDI-09= its quite cheaper than the pdi-03

Ive also ssen that the pdi03 only handels 100W RMS the Herbert is 200W should this give any problems
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I already seen the diff. The 09 doesnt have a loadbox so it wil always have to be connected to a cab.

Ive got a mail from palmer that the 03 can handle 200w, you can have a fan istalled wich would handle 200w without overheating. When playing for less than 2 hours a standard pdi-03 should be good enough. I dont think ill get past 50% on the master volume so ill defenantlu wont hit 200w.

ill order the pdi this week.
 
shadow070":112748xr said:
shadow070":112748xr said:
Ive got a mail from palmer that the 03 can handle 200w, you can have a fan istalled wich would handle 200w without overheating. When playing for less than 2 hours a standard pdi-03 should be good enough. I dont think ill get past 50% on the master volume so ill defenantlu wont hit 200w.
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The PGA-04 has some leds to show how many watts you put into it. The red 120W led starts flashing before I hit 50% on the master, so I always stay below that when I use the PDI-03. It sounds great between 30% and 40% on the master :)
 
Im still brainstorming my options. But thanks for the info.
 
You're not alone with recording problems. I mic'd my Herbert's cab with an SM57 into my Tascam Digital Portastudio and it sounds like fizzy crap.
 
Well, at the moment i dont have direct neighbours, the closest one is about 20 meters away. Ill be moving to an appartment soon so i need some silentrecording options. At the moment my little brother records in his bedroom, sm57 to the mic pre. He cranks the shit out of the master and it sounds nice man. The problem is that we dont have a space here so we can put the cabs in a other room than the one we are recording in. So its a big no if you want to record tight with a metronome or something, its just to loud.

Even with the herbert he recorded trough a sm57 at low volume and it wasnt that bad, but damn noticeble.

I just dont know at the moment how or what :doh:
 
I just got the Palmer PDI-03. Im quite bussy at the moment with work but got some time with it and its a good piece of kit. I still need some time with the unit.
I went with the palmer because i wanted something that doesn't depend on a computer. I still have to find my way around what setting to use and what not, but ill get there. I do have to buy a proper cable to hook the palmer to my soundcard, i dont have any spare cable so im using a cheap guitar cable i got free ;)

With the eq of the herberts channel 2 around 12 o'clock, pressence lower and the master volume at 25% i got a good result.

If you guys have any tips on the palmer, bring it on!
 
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