Herbie finaally came!!!! (56K hates FedEx as much I do)

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So she came real late as FedEx took all fucking day to arrive. Overall thanks to Josh at Rig-Talk who linked me with Jason who sold it to me. Used but friggin mint. I may change the tubes as I just always like feshy's in new heads regardless of their use. Does any one know if the Herbert needs to be biased if i just want to through in a new set of 6l6's? just using my old DMC GC for now, when I get to it I will use the GCX and GC Pro and use the pro for the VH4S and the Herbie. I'll hopefully have an accurate vid review by end of this week

So first off, channel one extremely clean :) So fanboy was very happy. What I found was the mid-cut reallllllly makes it brite and shimmery, especially with the chorus effect. Even more the sound I was looking for for my fanboy clean chorus. Even better than the JC-120 and the Vh4S. the VH4S has a much more darker deeper clean tone. Ch1 with midcut reminds of the ENGl SE channel 1 clean actually. However I hate the mid-cut on the dirties. :)
Channel 2 I use as a mild dirty and has really nice voicing at low gain, but also can crank up to a nice rhythm chug. But for my songs I use it as my mild dirty gritty tone. Channel 3 I use with much lower gain setting (as it has more gain that God, for lead playing I am assuming). Comparing it to the VH4S, different animal. Real beefy like the VH4S but a tad grittier, if that makes sense. A bit more gritty and a little Marshall-like IMO but with the similar Diezel dirty the Vh4S has. The VH4S rhythm dirty in comparison..........well IMO is that signature Diezel dirty I love. So all in all for rhythm chug, both amps have a real tight rhythm OD and Real tight bottom end with the right cab (like the rear loaded Diezel, the boogie cab was way too boomy for both amps)

I was playing rhythm chug on CH 3 and flipped on the mid cut.....it sucked the wind out of the room!! I felt my heart palpitate LOL. So I don't prefer to use it for dirties, only my cleans were it really shines. Especially there is only one Mid Cut section that affects all 3 channels. At lower settings it for sure get's you that mid scoop Black album tone, which is cool, but not really my bag. So overall........Diezel FTW!!!

Sorry for the large Blurry pics. Some reason would not focus with the lighting. I will post a vid review with video and mic'ed for a more accurate tone testical. ;)

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right on brother.....I'll wait for the video.

Tell me, (and I KNOW you need to mess with the herbert A LOT more before making a REAL decision, but....) which voicing you like best? VH4/Herbert?
 
sean106ESP":1v59p8e3 said:
the VH4S has a much more darker deeper clean tone

interesting observation - IMHO when comparing the VH4 and Herb, the Herb's typically the darker, "spongier" of the two clean channels. Herb Channel 1 has this round, almost shimmery bloom, whereas the VH4 is more of a Hiwatt-ish (brighter) voicing. :thumbsup:
 
Still too early to accurately compare voicing. When I have my GCX and GC Pro set up for both I can swap channels on both.

But, eddy have you tried the Mid cut on the clean? The chime and ring at high volumes was ear piercing! The Vh4S will always be my fav of all amps, as it is the dirty tone I have been so used to for the last two years, and has more features IMO with the loops and FX or Channel inserts on or off IMO
 
I'm a "kind of compressed" TIGHT tone type of guy, and man....I think (almost 90% sure by now) that by the end of 2008/early 2009 I'll buy a VH4....... I love my einstein, HONESTLY...but I feel like the Einstein is 90% there (regarding my tone searching and versatility needs) and for some reason I have a hunch that the VH4 is THE amp that'll get me the extra 10%.

The Herbert is an Awesome amp, but honestly I don't need 180W, and I think I prefer the tighter VH4 voicing as well as the 4 channels. (MAN just thinking about having a Clean ch./blues drive ch./rock ch./metal ch. all at the tip of my foot! gives me a hard on! :o


Sean, talk to me about the Vh4 cleans/blues dirty tones..... ( I know all about the fat rythm/hard rock/metal tones) but I haven't heard MUCH of the less gainy tones.......
 
sean106ESP":2wiihtfb said:
But, eddy have you tried the Mid cut on the clean? The chime and ring at high volumes was ear piercing!

Sean, that may be what I missed in your original post. I pretty much never run the 'mid cut' except on the Channel 3, and really only when we cover Master/Sanit/Fade/One/Roam, or the Dime stuff (not enough for me :doh: :lol: :LOL: ) Funny, I don't think I've ever run the mid cut on channel 1! I know I'm :lame:

Most of the stuff we play (especially in some of the weird rooms get offered) requires a fuller sound as opposed to a scooped one. However, I'm definitely gonna try the mid-cut Ch 1 now! :yes: :thumbsup:
 
Give it some time.

I don't use midcut often, but when I do I dial the amp completely different way. There are some good tones on Ch2 & 3 with midcut, but it takes time to find them.
 
Sean,

Bro.....for the love of God...turn down the bass on channel 3....you'll hurt yourself :lol: :LOL:

Glad your amp arrived safe and sound, Jay is a great guy.

J
 
Joeytpg":31b096vg said:
Eddy, which one you like best? VH4/herbert?

Joey, I love 'em both. The VH4's got the "marshall-ish" tone, with "slightly more" compression (if you can say that about a Diezel :confused:). I run them so loud and open that each amp really breathes fire (iso cab). At that volume, I really hear the nuances.

Herbert as many have mentioned has a "moderness" and grunt that is not as evident in the VH4. Whereas the VH4 has a "marshally" vibe (with a Diezel interpretation), the Herbert has a darkness that really underscores the "voicing" that has become a Diezel trademark. Much like the rectifier sound of the 90's, the Herbert represents the "sound" of the new millenium IMHO - dark,tight and crushing but vibrant and transparent enough to allow for pick articulation and complex chordal changes.

Honestly I use both - A LOT!! :yes: :lol: :LOL:

If I had to choose, I'd say that the Herbert gets used 60% of the time and the VH4 40%. Much of the selection is based on Herbert Ch1 believe it or not. We do a lot of funk and weird, off-time stuff (Fishbone and the Untouchables meet Suicidal and Metallica) and my CFH wah, '78 Boss CE2, and a DD-20, get worked through the Herbert mainly because the Herbert's "darker" sound results in a rounder, warmer bloom. YMMV! Then when the funk stops and the punk starts, midi over to Ch2 (+) or Ch3 with mid-cut ON!!! KILLER :rawk: Plus at 180W, the Herbert moves some serious air. I've broken in more than a few cabs with the Herbert due primarily to its SHEER power.

For straight-ahead metal and the slicing chugga, chugga riffing- VH4! (Over the Mountain, Crazy Train, Balls to the Wall, Scorps, Wolf Hoffmann, Akira Takasaki, Impelliteri, Ratt)

Either way, they both cover so much ground - it's really a matter of taste - Cabernet (plum, currant and black cherry flavors and firm tannins - complex, elegant, and strong-bodied wine that ages with grace) or Merlot (sweeter, smoother, and lower in tannins - blends well with other grapes and is ready to drink at a younger age)? Either way, I can get buzzed on both, so what the FU-K? :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup: It's ALL good!!
 
Channel 3 on my old VH4 was my hands down favorite :D

Full on hot rodded Marshall sound, but for me, it needed to be with masters at at least 10 o'clock, with the channel at 12.
 
here is my fun tip for you herbert owners, throw the mid cut intenity down to barely on, like 8:30 level noonish then put the mids up on the amp like 2:30, gives you some liquid lead tones on channel three,
just my 2 cents
peace
A Wood
 
Cool, Nice tip .. (I do something similar...)

Just out of curiosity Andy... what about the LEVEL of the midcut ??? how do you set it? about noon ? or 9o'clock as well ? .. And the "presence and deep" ?

Those are the trickiest and most important knobs of the herbert (at least for me... ) If you have those right, you will sound amazing, if not, you will simply sound good :D.

Also, the problem seting that midcut so low is that, ok, you get an amazing lead sound in channel 3, but I lost all the "hit" I can get in channel 2 with a nice MidCut... (I love the mid cut from noon to 3 oclock, is simply massive!! amazing for death metal - trash).

Ben.

van hellion":muq50qnl said:
here is my fun tip for you herbert owners, throw the mid cut intenity down to barely on, like 8:30 level noonish then put the mids up on the amp like 2:30, gives you some liquid lead tones on channel three,
just my 2 cents
peace
A Wood
 
Good talks guys. Vid hopefully today or tomorrow.

I did not have much time than an hour to play with it, but as soon as I added the mid cut to the cleans, I found the shimmery chorus clean I try to emulate of Metallica live for my music and band (well ex band now, that I am trying to rebuild since I wrote all the music ;) ) But I will also do some tone tests with the mid cut on the dirties on the dirty channels. I know probably a lot of people and the amp is meant for clean, rhythm, lead. But in my case with my music, I need only clean, mild dirty and then rhythm chug. So I don't play lead or solo's as I stink on ice, but play all the riffs in my band etc. So this made it perfect. With my band and the Vh4S i barley used CH 4. I found my heaven at channel 3 on that monster. :thumbsup:
 
Man if I don't get my daily Diezel dose, I tend to get pulled by the dark side.


Yeshamesh! :D
 
mid cut level at 12:30 presence at 1ish deep at noon, but treble on lead tone way back like 10:30
peace
A Wood
 
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