How does the Schmidt compares to a Two Rock?

[Joeytpg]

I'm asking this here because I know most people in rig-talk forum have not tried theSchmidt yet, and I trust and respect the users here at the Diezel forums.

Peter you're the creator but you're welcome to answer, same with you Olaf.

How does the Schmidt compares to a Two Rock amp? specially in the clean channel? how do they stack against each other?

 

[Peter Diezel]

I´m ashamed but to be honest I didn´t hear
the Two Rock yet.

 

[Gutmann]

It's about half the price and has more features

Didn't even try to go testing a TR

 

[duesentrieb]

No idea, Joey, sorry.

 

[Joeytpg]

I tried one at Ruby's in NYC, a Two-Rock Custom Reverb and let me tell you guys, that amp has the most beautiful cleans I've heard yet. The OD channel was AMAZING too (not too gain heavy though) I was floored.

But I've REALLY liked what I've heard from the schmidt particularly the cleans, which to my ears have a "similar" tonal characteristic, but you know YouTube videos are half the truth.

if someone has played both, please let me know your opinion

 

[AngryGoldfish]

When referring to price and boutique nature, Two Rock are in another league altogether. They are almost twice the price of the Schmidt over here, so it makes comparing them difficult. Most tone connoisseurs will immediately assume that the Two Rock is a far better amp, but a Diezel is, in my opinion, the king of the metal world. There is no other amp company I'd rather be with if I were a gigging metal guitarist.

But if I was a jazz/blues/rock/country guy, I'd probably go for something else like a Matchless or Two Rock. Not because they are better amps, but because they suit the genre more appropriately.

Because I haven't played the Schmidt, I can't say whether it has any relation to the Two Rock regarding clean tones - and seeing as I haven't played a Two Rock before either, I definitely cannot say. But I can say that the Schmidt has the potential for being a Two Rock companion, just from the clips that I've heard and from the way it is described by Peter and co.

I suppose you could ask yourself: did I like the cleans and bluesy tones on the Einstein or the VH4? If you did, the Schmidt should be even better.

 

[Joeytpg]

When referring to price and boutique nature, Two Rock are in another league altogether. They are almost twice the price of the Schmidt over here, so it makes comparing them difficult. Most tone connoisseurs will immediately assume that the Two Rock is a far better amp, but a Diezel is, in my opinion, the king of the metal world. There is no other amp company I'd rather be with if I were a gigging metal guitarist.

But if I was a jazz/blues/rock/country guy, I'd probably go for something else like a Matchless or Two Rock. Not because they are better amps, but because they suit the genre more appropriately.

Because I haven't played the Schmidt, I can't say whether it has any relation to the Two Rock regarding clean tones - and seeing as I haven't played a Two Rock before either, I definitely cannot say. But I can say that the Schmidt has the potential for being a Two Rock companion, just from the clips that I've heard and from the way it is described by Peter and co.

I suppose you could ask yourself: did I like the cleans and bluesy tones on the Einstein or the VH4? If you did, the Schmidt should be even better.

I loved the Two Rock I tried, but as you know they're quite expensive, I could try searching for a used one maybe a Jet which should go for 1,500 - 2000. But if the Schmidt has a clean channel as good as a two rock or a nice blackface fender, I'm more than willing to trade my VH4 for one. I like the Vh4's cleans but they lack SOMETHING for the type of music that I play honestly. Same with the Einstein that I had.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

When referring to price and boutique nature, Two Rock are in another league altogether. They are almost twice the price of the Schmidt over here, so it makes comparing them difficult. Most tone connoisseurs will immediately assume that the Two Rock is a far better amp, but a Diezel is, in my opinion, the king of the metal world. There is no other amp company I'd rather be with if I were a gigging metal guitarist.

But if I was a jazz/blues/rock/country guy, I'd probably go for something else like a Matchless or Two Rock. Not because they are better amps, but because they suit the genre more appropriately.

Because I haven't played the Schmidt, I can't say whether it has any relation to the Two Rock regarding clean tones - and seeing as I haven't played a Two Rock before either, I definitely cannot say. But I can say that the Schmidt has the potential for being a Two Rock companion, just from the clips that I've heard and from the way it is described by Peter and co.

I suppose you could ask yourself: did I like the cleans and bluesy tones on the Einstein or the VH4? If you did, the Schmidt should be even better.

I loved the Two Rock I tried, but as you know they're quite expensive, I could try searching for a used one maybe a Jet which should go for 1,500 - 2000. But if the Schmidt has a clean channel as good as a two rock or a nice blackface fender, I'm more than willing to trade my VH4 for one. I like the Vh4's cleans but they lack SOMETHING for the type of music that I play honestly. Same with the Einstein that I had.

There was one on eBay not so long ago. It actually belonged to a musician who used the amp as a touring amp for a famous band. It had the Jet head, cabinet, steel casing, and two attenuators, all for a very reasonable price.

There is also a Jet on the Music Radar forums. It has been there for ages. No one knows of Two Rock around those parts, really. I think it was around £2000, I can't remember for sure. Let me find it. Here it is: http://www.musicradar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65083

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Diezel cleans are great - they're dark and jazzy - but they lack the bluesy, chimey characteristics that amps like Bad Cat have, supposedly. They just don't suit certain genres.

That said, I think the Schmidt could well completely break that mould. I really have to try it out and see for myself.

 

[Joeytpg]

BINGO, that's what I feel too. My einsten's cleans where great as so are VH4's but they're great in a sharp responsive way, but they lack some of that spongy feeling fenders/voxes/two rocks/etc have.

I have an Egnater Renegade that has a clean channel TO DIE FOR, it's REALLY good, Bruce Egnater went for a Bassman clean on that amp and he nailed it. When I play my Renegade and then go to the VH4 I have a little "sterile" sensation, but it's only when I play it AFTER either my Renegade or my Fender Priceton Reverb RI. IF I've been playing the VH4 for a few days on it's own I don't feel it as sterile, but knowing it's not 100% what I like kills me.

When I bought it I was playing more metal stuff, but nowadays I hardly ever play metal, I'm 90% of the time playing pop and blues so the clean channel is THE most important channel for me.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I've always wanted an Egnater Renegade - their features and awesome tones are not an accurate reflection of their cheap prices - I just feel like I should wait it out until I can afford a Schmidt.

Why do you insist on replacing the VH4 with the Schmidt when you're already in love with the Renegade? I mean, in all seriousness, if you have two amps you're happy with, that successfully sound awesome clean-wise, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with a Diezel amp. I really don't want to sound like I know exactly what I'm talking about - because I don't - and I certainly don't want to berate Peter's creations, but unless the Schmidt is a far away walk from the the VH4, I predict you'll constantly be yearning for that 'Two Rock sound'.

The main reason why I want a Diezel is because I'll always want one - for their awesome tones, unparalleled features, and superb customer service/feeling of being a part of the family. Even though the tones may not be EXACTLY what I'm searching for right now, I've always dreamed of owning a Diezel, and I will own one.

The Bad Cat might have a warmer, chimy-er clean tone, but at least Diezel is right there, at least Diezel has the best high gain tone EVAR, at least Diezel has the principle features that I feel are a necessity. I've heard that the Bad Cat loops are noisy - that's just not acceptable to me. I need a great loop, and Diezel has me covered in that area completely, even with their more vintage styled amps.

 

[Joeytpg]

well, the reason I'm not 100% happy with the Renegade is simply because the OD channel is not 100% my liking. It does a GREAT rock/hard rock tone but the lightly overdriven bluesy pop tones are a bit dull (channel two opens up when the gain knob is pass 10:00 really and that's a bitt too high gain for most of my stuff.

I could get those slighty blues tones with a pedal and I do have a nice BB preamp (searching for a used Zendrive too) but I don't know, I'm weird like that, I like having amps I love EVERYTHING from them.

I wanna try the schmidt because I like Diezel, I like the company the family, peter's the best, and I wanna give it a try before I "part from the family forever" kind of thing. I'm not sold onTwo Rock as a brand, I just want the clean tones....

I want something Fendery but I don't wanna have the same old blackface fender everybody has, I want something in that ballpark with some unique elements to it.

I really like the Two rock's OD channel, it's perfect too.

right now I'm still not gigging so owning a two rock (unless it's a uses Jet which is the cheapest) I simply cannot justify.

 

[Heritage Softail]

Matchless Avalon is a pretty flexible amp. Have you tried a Divided By 13? just trying to further complicate your decision Ever thought about just building your own Matchless clone kit from CeriaTone?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

well, the reason I'm not 100% happy with the Renegade is simply because the OD channel is not 100% my liking. It does a GREAT rock/hard rock tone but the lightly overdriven bluesy pop tones are a bit dull (channel two opens up when the gain knob is pass 10:00 really and that's a bitt too high gain for most of my stuff.

I could get those slighty blues tones with a pedal and I do have a nice BB preamp (searching for a used Zendrive too) but I don't know, I'm weird like that, I like having amps I love EVERYTHING from them.

I wanna try the schmidt because I like Diezel, I like the company the family, peter's the best, and I wanna give it a try before I "part from the family forever" kind of thing. I'm not sold onTwo Rock as a brand, I just want the clean tones....

I want something Fendery but I don't wanna have the same old blackface fender everybody has, I want something in that ballpark with some unique elements to it.

I really like the Two rock's OD channel, it's perfect too.

right now I'm still not gigging so owning a two rock (unless it's a uses Jet which is the cheapest) I simply cannot justify.

Do you live in America now? It's going to be hard for you to find a Schmidt to try out.

If I do end up trying the Schmidt before you find the chance, I will write a thoroughly detailed review and try and make a few clips if I can. I'm hoping it will have the perfect balance between warmth and classic Diezel tightness in the clean tones, and a really bluesy crunch tone.

I keep having these GAS attacks of the Renegade, but it passes away again as soon as I remember that I want a Diezel and a Matamp before anything else.