dfrattaroli
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There's more to it than simply the power section I know. For those of you own or have played both, what are the pros and cons?
Dave
Dave
Fallout Labs
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stereo output with a poweramp..
guitarslinger
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Actually, it's literally like two mod 50's, but it won't sound exactly like two mod50's
dfrattaroli
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guitarslinger":1ln0vn5x said:
That's what I was getting at. How so? Is there something about say, an EG5 in the Mod50 that is better/worse than the same module in an M4 and another power amp?
Dave
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swimrunner
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Really? I would think the power section would basically be it - transformers and other yada yada.dfrattaroli":2kdgapdx said:
Hectic Watermelon
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There is a huge difference between them.
The MOD 50 takes several power tubes and they all sound like you'd expect them to, but the VHT is best with EL 34s. They did a version of the VHT that had a switch to accept 6L6s, but thing still sounded like it preferred EL34s in it. The VHT 2-90-2 takes the monstrous KT88s. I used to have one in the pre-MOD 50 days with my ie4, but decided I didn't need to kill my audience, so I went with the 2-50-2.
The MOD 50 is what I defer to for more classic tones. It also loads down in a useful way with another cab so you can get a good cranked tone out of it for recording at surprisingly low levels. It is pretty featureless though. The MOD 50 power section's best feature is its nice tone.
My VHT gets use now only in the studio and for more modern stuff. It has quite a few more tonal variations as you can see - particularly the voicing and class A-A/B switch.
Other big differences is that the MOD 50 power section really adjusts differently to me. With all speakers and cabs I ever use with it, the density stays right around OFF - 8:00, and Presence from 1:30-2:30. There is a very narrow range where I like it best, but on the VHT it is quite wide on each for some reason. Also, the VHT doesn't sag much in low power mode - which is a bummer for users who can't record it running really hot. It is a loud mf. Also, the VHT is gonna really weigh down your rack. Very heavy.
On this track I jsut did for a TV network thing a few days ago, I used the VHT on the more distorted stuff and the MOD 50 on the cleaner things. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=46344
The MOD 50 takes several power tubes and they all sound like you'd expect them to, but the VHT is best with EL 34s. They did a version of the VHT that had a switch to accept 6L6s, but thing still sounded like it preferred EL34s in it. The VHT 2-90-2 takes the monstrous KT88s. I used to have one in the pre-MOD 50 days with my ie4, but decided I didn't need to kill my audience, so I went with the 2-50-2.
The MOD 50 is what I defer to for more classic tones. It also loads down in a useful way with another cab so you can get a good cranked tone out of it for recording at surprisingly low levels. It is pretty featureless though. The MOD 50 power section's best feature is its nice tone.
My VHT gets use now only in the studio and for more modern stuff. It has quite a few more tonal variations as you can see - particularly the voicing and class A-A/B switch.
Other big differences is that the MOD 50 power section really adjusts differently to me. With all speakers and cabs I ever use with it, the density stays right around OFF - 8:00, and Presence from 1:30-2:30. There is a very narrow range where I like it best, but on the VHT it is quite wide on each for some reason. Also, the VHT doesn't sag much in low power mode - which is a bummer for users who can't record it running really hot. It is a loud mf. Also, the VHT is gonna really weigh down your rack. Very heavy.
On this track I jsut did for a TV network thing a few days ago, I used the VHT on the more distorted stuff and the MOD 50 on the cleaner things. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=46344
muudrock
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I recently picked up an M4 and borrowed a friends VHT 2/50/2 to try it out. I also have a Mod 50. Like John said, it's very different. I also ran the M4 into the effects return of the Mod 50 and it was different than the Mod 50 by itself. The M4 sounds to me like it has a touch of the high end sparkle rolled off when compared with the same module, same settings in the Mod 50.
The VHT was very clear and articulate, and I could not for the life of me get it to load down and get the sag I like so much in the Mod 50. I have to agree with John 100% that it is better for the more modern tones when you need/want high headroom. The VHT has it.
While on the subject of power amps, can anyone compare the VHT to the RT2/50? I'm curious how different or what differences there are. I have an RT2/50 coming and hope it sounds as good as I've been told.
The VHT was very clear and articulate, and I could not for the life of me get it to load down and get the sag I like so much in the Mod 50. I have to agree with John 100% that it is better for the more modern tones when you need/want high headroom. The VHT has it.
While on the subject of power amps, can anyone compare the VHT to the RT2/50? I'm curious how different or what differences there are. I have an RT2/50 coming and hope it sounds as good as I've been told.
dfrattaroli
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Thanks guys. That's very much what I was looking for.
Dave
Dave
marvcus
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BUMP.
I've been rather curious lately about the "classic" feel of the MOD50 and the "modern" sound of the M4 - as has been described above and in other posts. Most of the M4 users who have commented have the RT/250 or VHT 2/50/2.
Also, most of the posters who own both say they are both great but "different," but
I get the feeling that --tonally speaking only--the head is the preferred amp over the pre/power amp up to this point.
My question is, is the new Egnater poweramp going to "close the gap" so to speak?
Is the tone from the head's power amp worth losing two module slots??
I absolutely love my M4 rig, but there isn't a MOD 50 in stock in Texas that I know of where I could judge for myself. I also hate to be so nitpicky because it's not like I'm a touring pro, but geez, when GAS sets in (especially Egnater gas) it hits hard! Maybe I'm just bored...
Thanks for replying.
I've been rather curious lately about the "classic" feel of the MOD50 and the "modern" sound of the M4 - as has been described above and in other posts. Most of the M4 users who have commented have the RT/250 or VHT 2/50/2.
Also, most of the posters who own both say they are both great but "different," but
I get the feeling that --tonally speaking only--the head is the preferred amp over the pre/power amp up to this point.
My question is, is the new Egnater poweramp going to "close the gap" so to speak?
Is the tone from the head's power amp worth losing two module slots??
I absolutely love my M4 rig, but there isn't a MOD 50 in stock in Texas that I know of where I could judge for myself. I also hate to be so nitpicky because it's not like I'm a touring pro, but geez, when GAS sets in (especially Egnater gas) it hits hard! Maybe I'm just bored...
Thanks for replying.
muudrock
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FWIW, I've been favoring the M4 and RT 2/50 over the Mod 50 lately. I have both incorporated into my rig and play them in parallel. Each has their own vibe. Just been enjoying the M4 more.
jmgman69
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I like them all!! 
dfrattaroli
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I've really settled in to the M4/RT250 rig. I do wish there was a mod that really did the BROOTALZ. EG5 is very close though. I have to admit I've been GAS'ing lately. But I go through that. I've said it before, the M4 and AxeFx are the only 2 pieces of gear that have kept me satisfied this long. Could also just be that I've gotten better as well. I go through different mods as my faves though. For the longest time it was the EG3/4 and now it's the EG5. Maybe I need to try a E-rect again.
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Page
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dfrattaroli":d0fyrhwp said:
I agree that there should be a module for death metal and such. I think thats one of the few tones the modular stuff is really missing
marvcus
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yeah, maybe I just need to shut up and play. that cures a lot of problems, too.
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rudomat
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hi dave!dfrattaroli":3r5d5dd9 said:
if you want your erect back...i´d try the eg5...;-) i´m also using an axe fx...tell me about your experiences...do you run the m4 in the afx´es send/return-loop...?
best,
rudi
dfrattaroli
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rudomat":2vjkxcg7 said:
I don't run the Axe and M4 together. But I do use the Axe for heavier tones so I'm covered. But I do wish I could do the same with the Egnater. I want to keep the EG5 as it's closest to what I'm "missing" right now. I also have an MHG that I really like. I'm on a gain binge right now so I've been playing those 2 the most lately. This always happens when I go on a Dream Theater Marathon.
jlbaxe
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Eric is the one to give you a good comparison of the RT2/50 and VHT. I like the RT so much I bought 2 of them.
fuzzyguitars
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i have a mod 100 and m4 with the rt2/50
i love em both.
they both sound different.
the m4 sounds different in the loop of the mod 100 than with the rt2/50
hard for me to do a direct comparison becuase i run svet 6550 in mod100
and jje34l and 6l6 in the rt2/50.
the rt is loud as hell!
i love em both.
they both sound different.
the m4 sounds different in the loop of the mod 100 than with the rt2/50
hard for me to do a direct comparison becuase i run svet 6550 in mod100
and jje34l and 6l6 in the rt2/50.
the rt is loud as hell!
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Guitarvc
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Actually, I have a Mod 50 and live in Austin TX. If you want to come by and hear mine, I'd like to hear the M4. I have 2 cabs, both Stone Age, a 1x12 with G12H30, and a 2x12 with G12H65's.
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rockridge98
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I haven't played a Mod 50, but I love the Class A mode of the VHT 2502 with the M4 on slightly overdriven tones. Darker, fatter, rounder.dfrattaroli":5dkt2b2x said: