How wide is herbies midcut?

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I have been experimenting with an EQ in the loop of my einstein removing mid at 400hz like the herbie midcut function does.

I am wondering how many octaves wide the midcut on herbie is to get a good approximation of that sound.

cutting at this frequency on Einy really brings out the devil. :rock:
 
I dont know anything about the octaves, but from my experience I would say this is much more than a static cut.

There seems to be also interactions with the other frequencies - Peter has put some tube-magic in there :D ;)
 
the Q is not fixed and can be varied, in other words i don't know, it gets pretty darn non-existent turning counter clockwise and clockwise the Q is very tight, but that range is a big idk,

when i used a eq pedal with my vh4 i used the 400hz slider and just adjusted to taste, it's not accurate or similar but whatever, i am pretty sure the mid-cut is at 500hz anyway????

anyway

peace maybe big papa knows the secret!
 
Witch EQ do you use??
I would like to experiment with eq on my Einstein also.
 
DvE":hnfzi1ns said:
I dont know anything about the octaves, but from my experience I would say this is much more than a static cut.

There seems to be also interactions with the other frequencies - Peter has put some tube-magic in there :D ;)
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Hmm, not sure though im pretty sure the midcut is inductor based.
 
diezelduder":3lzhyct4 said:
the Q is not fixed and can be varied, in other words i don't know, it gets pretty darn non-existent turning counter clockwise and clockwise the Q is very tight, but that range is a big idk,

when i used a eq pedal with my vh4 i used the 400hz slider and just adjusted to taste, it's not accurate or similar but whatever, i am pretty sure the mid-cut is at 500hz anyway????

anyway

peace maybe big papa knows the secret!
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Well in some long ago post i cant seem to find right now Papa said the midcut was centered around 400hz.

the level knob is obviously to make up volume difference for any deep cutting, maybe the midcut knob affects the width of the cut at 400hz in which case ill jsut season my cut to taste.
 
moltenmetalburn":3d7sylk0 said:
Lately i hav ebben sing the EQ in my g major two.

If you are looking for a recommendation for a pedal EQ the empress para EQ is the reigning king.

http://www.empresseffects.com/?page=paraeq
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+1

I have one and its some serious eq in a pedal. I threw my boss and mxr eq's out after getting one. Works decent with the Einey, but usually when I eq the einey I end up making it sound worse... That's mainly because its hard to improve on such a damn good sound.
 
Just bought a used MXR 10 band eq, but not for eq-ing... I use it to lower the volume after the preamp.
In this way I can play at a decent level and have more powertube-sound involved - thanks again, nbart, for sharing this experiece :yes:
 
DvE":28mw65ui said:
Just bought a used MXR 10 band eq, but not for eq-ing... I use it to lower the volume after the preamp.
In this way I can play at a decent level and have more powertube-sound involved - thanks again, nbart, for sharing this experiece :yes:
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If you lower the volume after the preamp you are hitting the power up with a smaller signal, and not get any benefit from the power tubes. It's exactly the same thing as using your channel volume or master volume.
To better understand it, the power amp section always works on "full", it just amplifies the signal at its input. The bigger the signal, the louder the volume, and if the signal is big enough it goes into the territory where the amplification is non linear, therefore adding harmonics and "character". The actual position of the knob means nothing, it's all about the signal strength.
The only way you can get power tube distortion at low volumes is through power scaling, which is essentialy a way to lower the threshold where distortion occurs, at the expense of having a much lower headroom, and less overall power. And, of course, you can use power soaks, which take the signal coming out of your power amp, and dissipate a part of it through various methods, and only leave a small percentage of it for the speakers.
 
Thanks for the explanation :)

To my ears there seems to be a different sound when I put the channel volume high and lower the signal later.
Maybe there is more compression in tone, but I dont know the technical differences.

I am just very happy with the sound I get so everything is fine :thumbsup:

Thanks anyway. I always appreciate when members chime in and explain the details :yes:
 
If it sounds better to you, then by all means do it like that :)
But what you are hearing is not power tube distortion ;)
 
DvE":31uhai97 said:
Thanks for the explanation :)

To my ears there seems to be a different sound when I put the channel volume high and lower the signal later.
Maybe there is more compression in tone, but I dont know the technical differences.
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Whatever the reasons this is most definitely true, thicker, chewier and more compressed sound can be had by maxing the channel volume and lowering the master.

Id like to hear Peter chime in on this one...
 
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