FourT6and2
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It's in the shop getting a new radiator, differential and coilovers. Won't be back for two weeks. 
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FIREBALL
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tell this to the dude that wants to sell his for axe fx 
Ventura
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FourT6and2":2fc18prq said:It's in the shop getting a new radiator, differential and coilovers. Won't be back for two weeks.
I feel your pain Bro... Hang in there.
V.
sickgoose
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two weeks!!!? 
gibson08
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That sucks!FourT6and2":1935173k said:It's in the shop getting a new radiator, differential and coilovers. Won't be back for two weeks.
what'cha actually getting done?? I checked my VH4S and its air-cooled,so no radiator, is that some sort of up-grade? 
FourT6and2
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Channel 4 doesn't work. Some of the pots just don't do anything. Miscellaneous preamp noise and needs a new MIDI board. The tech is backed up with lots of work so it'll be about two weeks before he can get to it. Getting new power tubes while it's there. SED Winged =C= ftw!
gibson08
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I am sure they will get it fixed up just fine,,6L6GCs by any chance?,,,,,that reminds me, I have got to have a Silverburst LP!FourT6and2":58ucqj1z said:
FourT6and2
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gibson08":sb4q6x83 said:
No, I stick to EL34's. Love those mids!
Silverbursts pop up on eBay all the time...
steve_k
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FIREBALL":v7em9iwj said:tell this to the dude that wants to sell his for axe fx
I is funny to watch these people selling their one and only high end amp for a digital toybox.
Steve
PaulyPanacea
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steve_k":2d84eo6q said:FIREBALL":2d84eo6q said:tell this to the dude that wants to sell his for axe fx
I is funny to watch these people selling their one and only high end amp for a digital toybox.
Steve
well put Steve-o!!
TooL46_2
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Sorry for OT but as a fellow Tool fan just gotta ask -- do you hear/feel the difference between silverbursts and any other axe? Asking cause Jones is known for his weird sense of humour and I was just wondering about this magical impact of silver paint on the toneFourT6and2":2qszfujy said:
Thanks in adv for answering
steve_k
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TooL46_2":2n22zku9 said:Sorry for OT but as a fellow Tool fan just gotta ask -- do you hear/feel the difference between silverbursts and any other axe? Asking cause Jones is known for his weird sense of humour and I was just wondering about this magical impact of silver paint on the toneFourT6and2":2n22zku9 said:
78-81 Silverbursts are the best ever out of Gibson Custom Shop. The neck is great, action is great and to find one with a finish that has oxidized and turned green because of the lead auto paint is definitely a collectors piece. Mine is an 81. Dropped the SD's in it when I got it. This one still has the hardware pan in it. I recently changed out the tailpiece and bridge from the original which was wore all to shit and the chrome cracking, saddles filed out too much to the Tone Pro's relic'd stuff from Luxxtone. Still my favorite showpiece. And yes, there is just something about the tone. Gibson cannot come close to it today. The pieces of shit Standards coming out today are toys and wouldn't waste my money--again. Got stuck with one.
Steve
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TooL46_2
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Yeah, I love the look of these monsters Re tone -- how would you characterize it? Darker/more sparkle? I'm just curious cause Jones' tone is incredible (3 amps definitely got sth to do with that, I agree ) but was just wondering how much of that tone comes from the axe.
Yet the prices on ebay aint small
That's why I could afford only the Epi Silverburst Custom LP at the moment Seems like there's long way ahead of me to get all the rig... Min around $12k. Thanks for your input! 
Re tone -- how would you characterize it? Darker/more sparkle? I'm just curious cause Jones' tone is incredible (3 amps definitely got sth to do with that, I agree ) but was just wondering how much of that tone comes from the axe.Yet the prices on ebay aint small
That's why I could afford only the Epi Silverburst Custom LP at the moment Seems like there's long way ahead of me to get all the rig... Min around $12k. Thanks for your input!
FourT6and2
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Regarding the Silverbursts:
There's a lot of myth surrounding these guitars. Let's put some to rest, shall we?
The metallic paint is not lead-based. It does not and cannot oxidize over time as it is an aluminum automotive paint. The yellowing effect is not the paint, it is the clear-coat nitro lacquer and EVERY Gibson made with Nitro will age in this fashion. It's just that some color finishes show the yellowing more than others. A black guitar won't yellow as much because it's black and you just can't see it. But, look at the binding and you'll find it. White LP's turn yellow over time as well. Look at any Les Paul Custom from the 70's or even 80's. Most of them have yellowed over the years, not just the Silverbursts. It's just that mix silver with yellow and you get green. But the paint, itself, doesn't change. Only the Nitro.
If you were to find the most yellow/green silverburst out there and removed the clear-coat, you'd find that the silver paint is still as silver as the day it was sprayed.
The metallic flake in the paint cannot and does not alter the tone of these guitars as it contains no metals that can interfere with an electrical signal (aluminum isn't magnetic). In fact Goldtops use the same type of paint, only it's gold. When they yellow over time, you don't really notice it since the paint underneath is already a yellow/gold color.
The reason why many Silverbursts sound different is due to the pots that were used in those years. They rate as low as 280k, which is quite dark. Newer Gibsons use 500k pots. Which is much brighter.
Having said that, the years that these silverbursts were made were good ones for Gibson. Even though they are "just Norlins" They are solid, one-piece bodies (no weight relief, no chambering) with maple necks (many love that) and fairly good construction. Mine plays and sounds great. But any Les Paul Custom between the years of 79-84 should be similar in sound.
Adam Jones and the members of Tool are known for their sarcastic comments. I HIGHLY doubt Jones really puts his Marshall in a freezer to cryogenically preserve the amp's tone. His comments about the Silverburst's paint altering the tone of the guitar are complete and utter bullshit. Either he's joking around or he just doesn't know what he's talking about. I love the band, but I never really trust what they say about their gear in situations like that.
Hell, Danny Carey said in an interview that he specifically chose a type of wood for his drums because it was the LAST of its kind and some endangered bird lived in the tree. But they killed it just to make his drum set. It's obviously a joke. But many people take them seriously.
Adam's tone is from a combination of a few things:
Original Silverburst Les Paul Custom with a Duncan JB in the bridge, Marshall Super Bass / Super Lead (modded), Blueface Diezel VH4. That's really about it. Oh, and crank those mids.
Hope that helps.
Here's a quick tone clip I made when I first got the amp. I'm not the best player so don't expect and shredding or anything:
With Silverburst:
With Jackson and EMG 85/81 (much more aggressive sounding
There's a lot of myth surrounding these guitars. Let's put some to rest, shall we?
The metallic paint is not lead-based. It does not and cannot oxidize over time as it is an aluminum automotive paint. The yellowing effect is not the paint, it is the clear-coat nitro lacquer and EVERY Gibson made with Nitro will age in this fashion. It's just that some color finishes show the yellowing more than others. A black guitar won't yellow as much because it's black and you just can't see it. But, look at the binding and you'll find it. White LP's turn yellow over time as well. Look at any Les Paul Custom from the 70's or even 80's. Most of them have yellowed over the years, not just the Silverbursts. It's just that mix silver with yellow and you get green. But the paint, itself, doesn't change. Only the Nitro.
If you were to find the most yellow/green silverburst out there and removed the clear-coat, you'd find that the silver paint is still as silver as the day it was sprayed.
The metallic flake in the paint cannot and does not alter the tone of these guitars as it contains no metals that can interfere with an electrical signal (aluminum isn't magnetic). In fact Goldtops use the same type of paint, only it's gold. When they yellow over time, you don't really notice it since the paint underneath is already a yellow/gold color.
The reason why many Silverbursts sound different is due to the pots that were used in those years. They rate as low as 280k, which is quite dark. Newer Gibsons use 500k pots. Which is much brighter.
Having said that, the years that these silverbursts were made were good ones for Gibson. Even though they are "just Norlins" They are solid, one-piece bodies (no weight relief, no chambering) with maple necks (many love that) and fairly good construction. Mine plays and sounds great. But any Les Paul Custom between the years of 79-84 should be similar in sound.
Adam Jones and the members of Tool are known for their sarcastic comments. I HIGHLY doubt Jones really puts his Marshall in a freezer to cryogenically preserve the amp's tone. His comments about the Silverburst's paint altering the tone of the guitar are complete and utter bullshit. Either he's joking around or he just doesn't know what he's talking about. I love the band, but I never really trust what they say about their gear in situations like that.
Hell, Danny Carey said in an interview that he specifically chose a type of wood for his drums because it was the LAST of its kind and some endangered bird lived in the tree. But they killed it just to make his drum set. It's obviously a joke. But many people take them seriously.
Adam's tone is from a combination of a few things:
Original Silverburst Les Paul Custom with a Duncan JB in the bridge, Marshall Super Bass / Super Lead (modded), Blueface Diezel VH4. That's really about it. Oh, and crank those mids.
Hope that helps.
Here's a quick tone clip I made when I first got the amp. I'm not the best player so don't expect and shredding or anything:
With Silverburst:
With Jackson and EMG 85/81 (much more aggressive sounding
TooL46_2
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Thanks Man!!! That's an awesome response! I thought it was bullshit but was really looking for someone who actually plays one for a hands-on experience. I still love the look of those guitars!!! 
I envy your gear! Wish I could afford that
for a hands-on experience. I still love the look of those guitars!!! I envy your gear! Wish I could afford that
FourT6and2
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TooL46_2":3vq7lr4u said:Thanks Man!!! That's an awesome response! I thought it was bullshit but was really looking for someone who actually plays one
This is the rig I always wanted since I started playing. It took more than a decade to finally find a Silverburst and VH4 I could afford. So I know your pain
TooL46_2
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Guess I just gotta get lookin' Thanks again for confirming my assumptions!
Thanks again for confirming my assumptions!
steve_k
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FourT6and2":14m0n4ai said:Regarding the Silverbursts:
There's a lot of myth surrounding these guitars. Let's put some to rest, shall we?
The metallic paint is not lead-based. It does not and cannot oxidize over time as it is an aluminum automotive paint. The yellowing effect is not the paint, it is the clear-coat nitro lacquer and EVERY Gibson made with Nitro will age in this fashion. It's just that some color finishes show the yellowing more than others. A black guitar won't yellow as much because it's black and you just can't see it. But, look at the binding and you'll find it. White LP's turn yellow over time as well. Look at any Les Paul Custom from the 70's or even 80's. Most of them have yellowed over the years, not just the Silverbursts. It's just that mix silver with yellow and you get green. But the paint, itself, doesn't change. Only the Nitro.
If you were to find the most yellow/green silverburst out there and removed the clear-coat, you'd find that the silver paint is still as silver as the day it was sprayed.
The metallic flake in the paint cannot and does not alter the tone of these guitars as it contains no metals that can interfere with an electrical signal (aluminum isn't magnetic). In fact Goldtops use the same type of paint, only it's gold. When they yellow over time, you don't really notice it since the paint underneath is already a yellow/gold color.
The reason why many Silverbursts sound different is due to the pots that were used in those years. They rate as low as 280k, which is quite dark. Newer Gibsons use 500k pots. Which is much brighter.
Having said that, the years that these silverbursts were made were good ones for Gibson. Even though they are "just Norlins" They are solid, one-piece bodies (no weight relief, no chambering) with maple necks (many love that) and fairly good construction. Mine plays and sounds great. But any Les Paul Custom between the years of 79-84 should be similar in sound.
Adam Jones and the members of Tool are known for their sarcastic comments. I HIGHLY doubt Jones really puts his Marshall in a freezer to cryogenically preserve the amp's tone. His comments about the Silverburst's paint altering the tone of the guitar are complete and utter bullshit. Either he's joking around or he just doesn't know what he's talking about. I love the band, but I never really trust what they say about their gear in situations like that.
Hell, Danny Carey said in an interview that he specifically chose a type of wood for his drums because it was the LAST of its kind and some endangered bird lived in the tree. But they killed it just to make his drum set. It's obviously a joke. But many people take them seriously.
Adam's tone is from a combination of a few things:
Original Silverburst Les Paul Custom with a Duncan JB in the bridge, Marshall Super Bass / Super Lead (modded), Blueface Diezel VH4. That's really about it. Oh, and crank those mids.
Hope that helps.
Here's a quick tone clip I made when I first got the amp. I'm not the best player so don't expect and shredding or anything:
With Silverburst:
With Jackson and EMG 85/81 (much more aggressive sounding
oh well hell, that settles it then once and for all.....its not the lead, its something else. the gibson spin maybe?
great guitars and if you run up on one in the mid 2's, grab it.
as for tone, Ch. 3 on the VH4 and something else chugging in the background will work. much of adam's grind comes from several things:
1) running his pedals up front.
2) running them essentially, backwards from normal boards (delay, flange, wah and no buffer) and a micro-amp to drive the wah.
3) someone mentioned loads of mids already.
4) not much else in the signal path to degrade signal. i am not sure how he runs two amps quietly either. no word on splitter, a/b/y boxes or anything.
5) plays around with tone caps.
6) and he has impeccable timing.
7) he's not a fret wanker and mosh pit coordinator - he concentrates.
steve
PaulyPanacea
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i have an 80s Silverburst Custom also. I believe 82. My bud has a new SB and mine totally detroys it. Not even close. Mine is greening a bit also. Just how it goes with those guitars. Still a lethal axe.
Gibsons got super shitty after the early 90s. I think 91 or 92 was the last year that most Gibbys were still manly guitars. Now they are all weight relieved and feel like kids toys...REALLY expensive kids toys. Got my 89's for $600 each cuz they were beat to shit....they may not look pretty but they smoke any new Gibson that looks fantastic!
Gibsons got super shitty after the early 90s. I think 91 or 92 was the last year that most Gibbys were still manly guitars. Now they are all weight relieved and feel like kids toys...REALLY expensive kids toys. Got my 89's for $600 each cuz they were beat to shit....they may not look pretty but they smoke any new Gibson that looks fantastic!
FourT6and2
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steve_k":2ww0igv2 said:
Right, it's not the lead because there is no lead.
It's an aluminum-based metallic automotive paint. Original Silverbursts are no different than other Customs from the same years. They discontinued them because people thought they were ugly and they didn't sell enough. There's no Gibson Spin. Gibson never made any claims about these guitars. It all comes from people on the interwebs perpetuating these crazy myths and believing the sarcastic jokes of one Adam Jones.
Don't get me wrong, they're fantastic guitars. My dream guitar actually. Much better than today's Customs since they're one solid piece of mahogany with no swiss-cheese or chambering. I actually prefer the maple neck over a mahogany one as well. And the volute. I like the volute.
Some people out there hate the fact that these Norlin-era Customs are like that. They want mahogany necks, no volute and weight-relief.
Now I want to play. But I can't because my amp's gone!
