If I buy a Diezel, can I run it through my F-50 combo?

[Joeytpg]

I don't have a cab right now, but I do have my Mesa F-50 combo (1x12), can I use that amp as a "cab" ?? and HOW TO do it?

 

[guitar_god123456]

is there a speaker cable running from the back of the head out from an ohm jack of the F-50 to the speaker or a cable linked up to the head with no way of unplugging? if its the first one, then yeah, but you will need some sort of extension from the the speaker cable to reach the head.

 

[Audioholic]

Short answer, not really but its possible, because there is a very short cable hardwired on your speaker going into a 1/4 cable that plugs into the speaker out on your mesa. This cable is really short and doesn't really have much room to be plugged into any other amp. If you got a longer cable going from the back of your speakr, then it would work just fine, but the length of it as is now is a real issue.

 

[eddiespaghetty]

Hi,
I play an Einstein and I own a Marshall 6101 Combo with a Celstion Gold Speaker (100 W). Sometimes on rehearsals, when I don't want to carry a bigger cabinet, I put the Einstein on top of the combo and plug the speaker cable of the Marshall-Combo into the speaker out of the Einstein. It works perfect. But you have to match the impedance, of course. Though - the Einstein sounds better with my bigger cabinet.

Greetings

 

[White_Van]

Hi,
I play an Einstein and I own a Marshall 6101 Combo with a Celstion Gold Speaker (100 W). Sometimes on rehearsals, when I don't want to carry a bigger cabinet, I put the Einstein on top of the combo and plug the speaker cable of the Marshall-Combo into the speaker out of the Einstein. It works perfect. But you have to match the impedance, of course. Though - the Einstein sounds better with my bigger cabinet.

Greetings

Could have sworn the Celestion Gold was a 50 watt speaker?

 

[eddiespaghetty]

Hi,
the Celestion-Gold Alnico speakers are 50 W, as far as I've read. But my combo is a 100 W amp, so the speaker must handle it. The handbook says, that there was a Marshall 1x12 cabinet (Model No 6912) with a G12-Gold Celestion, which gives 200 W (mono). But it is mentioned, that those cabs were not available in US.

Well - too many speakers out there and you never know ...

Greetings!

 

[Peter Diezel]

I don't have a cab right now, but I do have my Mesa F-50 combo (1x12), can I use that amp as a "cab" ?? and HOW TO do it?

You never will get the full sound amount from a combo speaker,
that´s an other world.
Please try to get a cab.

 

[Lexicon Devil]

Here's how I did it before I got my cab. Unplug the tipring from the Mesa and plug it into the corresponding jack in the Diezel. If the cable is too short, find a lamp cord or an old extension cord, cut the speaker cable, and splice in the extra length of lamp cord, making sure that you do not reverse the polarity in the process. Insulate the spices with electricians tape, Wire nuts, or crimp connectors to prevent shorting. It may look ugly, but it will be functional provided that you kept the polarity correct when you wired in the splice. --You can do this by marking one side of the splice w/ a sharpie or other permanent marker, and wiring it up according to the mark.

It's cheap, it's sleazy, and certainly NOT RECOMMENDED for playing out with, but you will at least be able to play your amp at home at moderate SPL until you have the $$$ to get a decent cabinet. Other than that P. Diezel is absolutely correct in the fact that you will not get the full sound out of the amp from a combo speaker. Also, if the speaker is of relatively low wattage, you'll run the risk of blowing the speaker if you play the amp loud.

I personally like to keep the wattage of my cabs at least double the rated wattage of the amp. The reason being for this (If you don't know already) is that tube amps are rated for the amount of clean wattage that they produce. When you start pushing the power amp of a guitar amp into heavy overdrive where it's clipping out and compressing, you are essentially getting twice the rated clean wattage out of the amp.

So, essentially, an amp that is rated from 90 to 140 watts of output power, is actually pushing between 180 to 280 watts when it's being played hard. A single 100 watt speaker will not take this kind of abuse for very long, and you will either burn out the voice coil, or damage the moving parts of the speaker by cone overexcursion, and perhaps hanging the voice coil on the motor assembly.

When you get your new cab, plug the old cable back into the Mesa, and play away on either amp.

 

[diezel&gas]

Here's how I did it before I got my cab. Unplug the tipring from the Mesa and plug it into the corresponding jack in the Diezel. If the cable is too short, find a lamp cord or an old extension cord, cut the speaker cable, and splice in the extra length of lamp cord, making sure that you do not reverse the polarity in the process. Insulate the spices with electricians tape, Wire nuts, or crimp connectors to prevent shorting. It may look ugly, but it will be functional provided that you kept the polarity correct when you wired in the splice. --You can do this by marking one side of the splice w/ a sharpie or other permanent marker, and wiring it up according to the mark.

It's cheap, it's sleazy, and certainly NOT RECOMMENDED for playing out with, but you will at least be able to play your amp at home at moderate SPL until you have the $$$ to get a decent cabinet. Other than that P. Diezel is absolutely correct in the fact that you will not get the full sound out of the amp from a combo speaker. Also, if the speaker is of relatively low wattage, you'll run the risk of blowing the speaker if you play the amp loud.

I personally like to keep the wattage of my cabs at least double the rated wattage of the amp. The reason being for this (If you don't know already) is that tube amps are rated for the amount of clean wattage that they produce. When you start pushing the power amp of a guitar amp into heavy overdrive where it's clipping out and compressing, you are essentially getting twice the rated clean wattage out of the amp.

So, essentially, an amp that is rated from 90 to 140 watts of output power, is actually pushing between 180 to 280 watts when it's being played hard. A single 100 watt speaker will not take this kind of abuse for very long, and you will either burn out the voice coil, or damage the moving parts of the speaker by cone overexcursion, and perhaps hanging the voice coil on the motor assembly.

When you get your new cab, plug the old cable back into the Mesa, and play away on either amp.

so with a herbert that is 180W, which cab would you suggest?

 

[Lexicon Devil]

I personally like to keep the wattage of my cabs at least double the rated wattage of the amp. The reason being for this (If you don't know already) is that tube amps are rated for the amount of clean wattage that they produce. When you start pushing the power amp of a guitar amp into heavy overdrive where it's clipping out and compressing, you are essentially getting twice the rated clean wattage out of the amp..

so with a herbert that is 180W, which cab would you suggest?

Probably the 400w Diezel cab, or a full stack that would handle that power reliably. Then again, I couldn't see myself playing through a dimed Herbert. --The stage volume in that type of situation would most likely stomp all over the FOH mix, not to mention monitors.

Basically though, I suppose that you could use almost any cab with it, provided that you didn't crank the amp, as you'd risk killing your speakers.

 

[scottph]

That doesn't sound right. Afaik the watts are measured at peak, meaning cranked all the way. If you play the amp at lower volumes, which almost everyone does, the max watts is way below the 180 mark. Also, I don't think the Herbert, or any modern h-g amp, is meant to be played at volumes where you would get into the area of poweramp saturation, since it get's most of it's tone from the preamp.