Initial thoughts on my M4

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My M4 arrived this morning but I was stuck at work and had to sit there all day waiting to get home. Once I got home I hooked it to my poweramp (VHT 2-90-2) and tried it out. Here are my initial thoughts on each module.

T/D:
Channel A sounds very nice. One of the best cleans I've heard. It seems almost impossible to get this channel to break up. If you turn the gain up it almost seems like you have a mild compressor on it. It's really cool. Channel B is neat and seems like it has the ability to get a little dirty. Usually when I want mildly dirty tones I just roll back my volume on my distortion channel so this is new to me. I'm sure it will open up a bunch of new ideas.

COD:
This is not quite what I was expecting. In the description on the egnater website it mentions something about Dream Theater and I was expecting something similar to Petrucci's Mark IV lead tone. This module does not do that. It doesn't have as much gain or saturation. To me, it sounds similar to Santana's tone. The notes have a "sweetness" to them. It is a very nice sound, but I don't know that it is one I will use. This module does seem to be the most tweakable and I really need to spend more time with it before deciding to keep it or not. I imagine this mod would sound really good with a overdrive pedal in front of it.

SL2:
Everybody says this module kills and...they are right. Channel A sounds like a great JCM-800. It's not exactly like AC/DC's tone but similar enough that if you are in a cover band that does AC/DC this module will suit you just fine. This channel works great for all types of classic rock. Channel B is described as a hot rodded Marshall and it was not what I expected. When I think "hot rodded Marshall" I think Lynch, Demartini, etc.. To me this does not do it. The sound that I did get was more like a hot rodded "vintage" tone. The best example I could give is Jake E Lee's tone on the first Badlands CD. It nails that tone. It sounds slightly "Brown" and will work just fine if you are covering some VH (which my band does). There is a slight flubbiness to the low end that I could not dial out. Nothing bad, but it is there.

EG5:
I have always liked the tone of other people playing SLO-100's but every time I played one it sounded harsh to me. This module seems to cop the SLO vibe very well without sounding like an icepick in your ears. THIS module really nails the Lynch, Demartini sound. This module will work terrificly for lead work and rhythm work. It was tighter than the SL2 but not quite as tight as I would like it.

Overall I am very impressed. Not quite blown away as I had hoped but I am glad I purchased it. I think if I mess around with tubes I can dial out a little of the flubbiness in the low end. I was comparing back to back with my Rockmaster and my Triaxis and they were tighter in the low end. My Triaxis is dialed in and tubed so that I have never heard another one sound as good as mine. I owned two at one point and sold the other one. No other one I've tried has come close. I do miss the MKII/MKIV lead tone. I REALLY wish there a module to get that tone....cough..PLEASE BRUCE...cough. Ideally I'd like to keep my Triaxis as well as the M4 but finances don't permit it.

One thing I REALLY love is that the feel is more like I'm playing an amp head than the Triaxis. I've had a Triaxis for so long I just am used to its feel and I rarely play heads. The M4 modules are extremely dynamic and on the SL2 and EG5 the notes have a "depth" to them like you can hear the lower fundamental and then you can hear the high end on top as separate entities. I've only heard that in a few amps and I hear it again.

If I send the COD back I am wondering which module to get. I want a module to do more modern, very heavy metal and I'd like to get the Recto/Engl type of sound so maybe the Recto module will suit me. Does anybody have one of those who can offer an opinion? If I don't try the Recto I might want the EG3/4 since it is voiced slightly darker and I like that sort of tone as well.
 
The Cod is not what I expected but I held on to mine and I would never get rid of it now.I changed alot of the the stock tubes in the modules to flavor it up some and it makes a diff.I also use an RT250 which I like also ,very flexible and sounds great.Nice review.What power tubes are in the VHT?
 
The next module to try would be the E/rect....glad you are happy..The COD is a very unusual module, like I said you either love it our hate it! Try some overdrive pedals with it! Like everyone will say..change tubes, etc....and welcome to the family!
 
Jeff, I am definitely not digging the COD. Can we swap the COD for the Erect? Do you have one available now to ship? FYI, this morning I spent a couple hours just swapping tubes and it really cleaned the flubbiness I mentioned. In the SL2 I settled on a Tung sol in V1 and a 9th gen Chinese in V2. In the EG5 I settled on a Tung Sol in V1 and a GT-Mullard in V2. What a difference!

jmgman69, the tubes in the VHT are KT-88's.
 
bstaley":2egiag27 said:
Jeff, I am definitely not digging the COD. Can we swap the COD for the Erect? Do you have one available now to ship? FYI, this morning I spent a couple hours just swapping tubes and it really cleaned the flubbiness I mentioned. In the SL2 I settled on a Tung sol in V1 and a 9th gen Chinese in V2. In the EG5 I settled on a Tung Sol in V1 and a GT-Mullard in V2. What a difference!

jmgman69, the tubes in the VHT are KT-88's.
Big tubes!I love the tung sols and in my SL2 I have 8th gen chinese but they make a huge diff in the module!
 
I did a few quick sound clips. Please excuse the sloppiness on some of the 80's riffs I have not played in many years. :confused:

The recording setup was direct (no mics). I went from guitar >> M4 >> TC G-System for a little reverb >> Palmer PDI-09 direct box >> Digi002 ProTools. No high $$$ mic pres or anything.





As I listen back I notice I was slightly out of tune by the time I got to the clean stuff. Sorry.
It sounds considerably better through the VHT 2-90-2 and Mesa Recto Cab but the Palmer is nice for getting a decent recording at low volumes. The volume when I recorded this was barely audible. I had my TV on at the time and could hear both equally well. The Eggie really records well.
 
Awesome playing as always Bill. The COD sounded great and I'll bet it sustains very well. However I actually liked the tone of the SL2 better! It was more open with more teeth for lack of a better description. Slap an SD-1 infront of that and I'll bet it would kill. Both kick ass!
 
yngzaklynch":8cy32w1e said:
Awesome playing as always Bill. The COD sounded great and I'll bet it sustains very well. However I actually liked the tone of the SL2 better! It was more open with more teeth for lack of a better description. Slap an SD-1 infront of that and I'll bet it would kill. Both kick ass!

Thanks Jim, but I didn't record the COD. It was the EG5. I know you like a more trebly tone than I do. I had the treble just past 9 o'clock on that clip. If you put it straight up it gets very bitey but I gravitate towrds the warmer tones.
 
jmgman69":1ymwcany said:
Very Nice clips!Nice playing :D

Thanks. I notice that you have the Erect module. What do you think of it? Do you have any clips?
 
Tough to beat the Tung Sol in V1 of the modules!

Those clips sound great :rock:
 
bstaley":1sbpwinv said:
yngzaklynch":1sbpwinv said:
Awesome playing as always Bill. The COD sounded great and I'll bet it sustains very well. However I actually liked the tone of the SL2 better! It was more open with more teeth for lack of a better description. Slap an SD-1 infront of that and I'll bet it would kill. Both kick ass!

Thanks Jim, but I didn't record the COD. It was the EG5. I know you like a more trebly tone than I do. I had the treble just past 9 o'clock on that clip. If you put it straight up it gets very bitey but I gravitate towrds the warmer tones.

Whoops :aww: :D
 
bstaley":38fqxf3w said:
jmgman69":38fqxf3w said:
Very Nice clips!Nice playing :D

Thanks. I notice that you have the Erect module. What do you think of it? Do you have any clips?
I think that from those clips,you would like the Erect over the COD.I think it's a killer module.No clips but I'm workin on that,slowly :D
 
bstaley":e9klxsqp said:
I did a few quick sound clips. Please excuse the sloppiness on some of the 80's riffs I have not played in many years. :confused:

The recording setup was direct (no mics). I went from guitar >> M4 >> TC G-System for a little reverb >> Palmer PDI-09 direct box >> Digi002 ProTools. No high $$$ mic pres or anything.





As I listen back I notice I was slightly out of tune by the time I got to the clean stuff. Sorry.
It sounds considerably better through the VHT 2-90-2 and Mesa Recto Cab but the Palmer is nice for getting a decent recording at low volumes. The volume when I recorded this was barely audible. I had my TV on at the time and could hear both equally well. The Eggie really records well.

sounds really nice man! you are doing great justice to the eggie high gain tone realm!


i've been rekindling my relationship with my TOL 100 and it's kinda like starting from scratch...i just plugged some brimars and mullards in the preamp and she's starting to sing! but it came retubed with "4" rated GT EL34s and i suspect i'm missing some transparent highs i remember hearing from EH or Ruby power tubes.

i would LOVE to hear you track more clips using speakers/mics if at all possible...i'm missing some physical interaction/bounce on those clips, particularly the clean tone.

have you noticed how you can roll the treble control way down on the module and still get nice tones?

don't know about you, but i had one thing i could change about what i hear globally in eggies, it would be to modify the presence on the high gain tones to respond more like what i hear in VHT, cameron, and some older mark series mesas. the presence circuit on the eggie seems more like adjusting a narrow upper mid band on a graphic instead of a broader slope on a parametric eq, if that makes any sense...

i've heard people use the mesa comparison on the COD module but to me it's really more of a dumbly affair.
 
nice playing and nice review! :rock:

I was curious, for comparison purposes, as to what kind of guitar and what pickups you used
 
Good sounding clips and killer playing as usual, Bill! :rock:

-Jaakko
 
mentoneman":bvd2p5os said:
i've heard people use the mesa comparison on the COD module but to me it's really more of a dumbly affair.

I agree. Its really a lead players module. The description on egnater.com mentions Dream Theater and you wouldnt want to play any of Petrucci's rhythms on the COD. His leads yes, but rhythm no. I think the description is a little misleading. The way the module is voiced, its very much for leads. It IS high gain and has sustain for days, but not high gain in any sort of metal riffing way (which is fine because its not supposed to be). Just dont expect to pop in this module and start playing Metropolis Pt 1. You will be disappointed.

To the original poster... Try a E-Rect. It sounds like the best Rectifier youve ever heard. If you like Rectifiers, its right up your alley. And when you pop that bad boy in, feel free to break out your Train of Thought riffs!
 
hank":33ixy9iu said:
nice playing and nice review! :rock:

I was curious, for comparison purposes, as to what kind of guitar and what pickups you used
Thank you. For the SL2 and EG5 clips I used a Robin Tedley with a JB in the bridge and 59 in the neck. The TD clip I used my Anderson DropTop. I forget the model of singles in the Anderson but the humbucker is the HN3+.
 
Those clips sound GREAT ..

I honestly dont hear a huge dfference in the SL2 and the EG5 the have very similar tones to my ears .

the EG5 sounds like many hot rodded 80s amps .
I hear Zakk's No rest for the wicked, Loudness "Soldier of fortune" obvoiusly Lynch and Van Halen ..it kinda cool just how many 80s tones it cops .
It just has THAT freq in there whatever that may be .

What were the settings on the clip as far as gain, Mid ,Bass??
 
gtr31":2d9ocsp1 said:
Those clips sound GREAT ..

I honestly dont hear a huge dfference in the SL2 and the EG5 the have very similar tones to my ears .

the EG5 sounds like many hot rodded 80s amps .
I hear Zakk's No rest for the wicked, Loudness "Soldier of fortune" obvoiusly Lynch and Van Halen ..it kinda cool just how many 80s tones it cops .
It just has THAT freq in there whatever that may be .

What were the settings on the clip as far as gain, Mid ,Bass??

Thank you! On the EG5 it was somewhere around these settings:
Channel B
Gain: 1 o'clock
Bass: noon
Mid: 1 o'clock
Treble: just past 9 o'clock
Bright: 0
Bass Boost: 0
(I don't have the exact settings since I'm still tweaking a little but that is close.

On SL2 I had:
Channel B
Gain: full
Bass: 1 o'clock
Mid: 11 o'clock
Treble: 2 o'clock
Bright: 2
Bass Boost: 0

The EG5 feels tighter and more modern. There isn't THAT much of a difference in the way they sound recorded. Obviously the EG5 is a bit brighter and has something different going on in the mids, but the feel is way different.
 
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