JJ E83CC?

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Apparently this somehow escaped me (maybe because I never look at buying JJ 12AX7's) but in the past couple years JJ released a new 12AX7, the E83CC. I found some reports from people who, like me, generally dislike the ubiquitous JJ ecc83s because it's dull/dark and mushy sounding who say the new one has some of the good qualities of that tube, including the low noise, while being much more clear and open up top.

I found no mention of these on here using the search function so I'm curious if anybody has tried them? The only amp I have with the JJ-itis from the stock 12ax7's is my JP2C, and I have been trying to decide what to swap in there in its place. I have a bunch of chinese 12ax7's including some of the old silver ones but frankly I never have liked them in anything because they sound fizzy to me. I have a number of other current production tubes like tung sols and ehx and a veritable assload of the dark sounding JJ's so I am looking for something else.
 
I have a set. They are good, 'brighter and quieter than a standard JJ ECC83. The Frame Grid design allows a tighter winding of the Grid Wire for benefits already mentioned. . It's all good.

BTW, I would never describe a JJ ECC83 as fizzy.. Most people would say they are dark. But turns out that they work great in amps with a lot of gain stages because they stay tight.
 
midnightlaundry said:
I have a set. They are good, 'brighter and quieter than a standard JJ ECC83. The Frame Grid design allows a tighter winding of the Grid Wire for benefits already mentioned. . It's all good.

BTW, I would never describe a JJ ECC83 as fizzy.. Most people would say they are dark. But turns out that they work great in amps with a lot of gain stages because they stay tight.
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Well, I said Chinese 12AX7 is fizzy, not the older JJ’s. They aren’t fizzy but in some amps they can be too dark/muffled sounding IMO, at least when used in V1 or multiple tone-shaping spots.
 
My old Mark V shipped with JJ's. It was never dark or microphonic..
 
I have them in my Splawn Nitro. Really like them. Bright and acceptable noise level.

Took out that fizz that Chinese tubes had and helped tighten up the gain.. at least to my ears.

I also found the JJ ECC83S tubes to be darker and somewhat dull. (<-- edited from full to dull).

Good luck
 
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midnightlaundry said:
My old Mark V shipped with JJ's. It was never dark or microphonic..
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Yeah the JP2C is definitely not dark or microphonic, this is one amp where I don't feel like the JJ ecc83s is a bad fit, which is why I have not bothered to replace them. But, having come across the new JJ e83cc it just got me pondering, because in general I have always pulled the old JJ from just about every amp, at least from V1.
 
Bash_Man said:
I have them in my Splawn Nitro. Really like them. Bright and acceptable noise level.

Took out that fizz that Chinese tubes had and helped tighten up the gain.. at least to my ears.

I also found the JJ ECC83S tubes to be darker and somewhat full.

Good luck
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I think I will get some. Kinda want to try something different in my Deliverance too. It's one I have never bothered to pull the Chinese tubes from because with that amp's two gain controls you can more or less de-fizz the tone right there.
 
I've personally never found the Chinese tubes to be fizzy. Grindy, yes. Gritty, yes. But I find EHX's and Tung Sols have a lot more sizzle.

But yeah, interested in these JJ's as well.

Also, another recommendations. NS Svetlanas have the same kind of clarity and EQ curve as Tung Sols, but a little less harshess up top. Mullard CV4004's have a slimilar vibe, but a bit less sizzly as well, and a bit more gritty in the mids. Cool tubes, but Svetlanas are as good, and much cheaper.
 
Rex Rocker said:
I've personally never found the Chinese tubes to be fizzy. Grindy, yes. Gritty, yes. But I find EHX's and Tung Sols have a lot more sizzle.

But yeah, interested in these JJ's as well.

Also, another recommendations. NS Svetlanas have the same kind of clarity and EQ curve as Tung Sols, but a little less harshess up top. Mullard CV4004's have a slimilar vibe, but a bit less sizzly as well, and a bit more gritty in the mids. Cool tubes, but Svetlanas are as good, and much cheaper.
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I guess to disambiguate the term, I find the Chinese 12ax7 to add a sort of indistinct noise of some kind in the upper midrange. Maybe fizz is the wrong word, maybe it's hairy or dirty sounding. I know a lot of guys find them to be more aggressive sounding but I guess they never come across that way to me. I would agree as far as EQ curve the Tung-Sol is brighter/sharper sounding, but they're also cleaner and punchier sounding. Sometimes it's too much for some amps.

I agree about the new CV4004, they are kind of like a slightly less gainy, more balanced Tung Sol. I have a handful of them. They were actually a very good fit in my Deluxe Reverb's V1 and V2.
 
Try the Svetlanas as well, man! They're cheap enough, and they're good if you like TS's and Mullards.
 
Bardagh said:
I guess to disambiguate the term, I find the Chinese 12ax7 to add a sort of indistinct noise of some kind in the upper midrange. Maybe fizz is the wrong word, maybe it's hairy or dirty sounding. I know a lot of guys find them to be more aggressive sounding but I guess they never come across that way to me. I would agree as far as EQ curve the Tung-Sol is brighter/sharper sounding, but they're also cleaner and punchier sounding. Sometimes it's too much for some amps.

I agree about the new CV4004, they are kind of like a slightly less gainy, more balanced Tung Sol. I have a handful of them. They were actually a very good fit in my Deluxe Reverb's V1 and V2.
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Are you talking about the newest version of the Chinese tubes with the halo getter or the old ones with the square getter? The old ones are actually loved by many in high gain amps.
 
BesaMoogie said:
Are you talking about the newest version of the Chinese tubes with the halo getter or the old ones with the square getter? The old ones are actually loved by many in high gain amps.
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Well, when you say "newest" we're talking almost the last 30 years or something aren't we? They haven't made the square foil getter ones in a long ass time and I have barely ever seen them for sale anywhere in years, so yeah I'm talking about current production.

Wait, scratch that, they aren't really current anymore because the factory burned down.
 
I would grab a couple and test in V1. They are definitely quiet for gainy spots..
Funny tho. I was on the JJ site not long ago and they did not have this Tube on there. I wonder if they bailed on it..
I always get my JJ's from Eurotubes..
 
midnightlaundry said:
I would grab a couple and test in V1. They are definitely quiet for gainy spots..
Funny tho. I was on the JJ site not long ago and they did not have this Tube on there. I wonder if they bailed on it..
I always get my JJ's from Eurotubes..
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I ordered 4, so we’ll see. Multiple sellers have them. I ordered mine from Ruby Tubes shop on Reverb because they were the cheapest - and by cheapI still mean $21 per tube. o_O
 
The CC is a good tube to tighten up a low mid dominant high gainer. Almost has an effect like an SD-1 set clean boost.

But be careful putting them in the wrong amp as they can create that blizzard of nails/breaking glass tone.
 
EyesOfTheSouth! said:
The CC is a good tube to tighten up a low mid dominant high gainer. Almost has an effect like an SD-1 set clean boost.

But be careful putting them in the wrong amp as they can create that blizzard of nails/breaking glass tone.
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I think that's why they worked in my Nitro so we'll. The amp is low mid rich. These helped balance that a bit more. Amp still has tons of low end but this helped open it up even more.
 
Bardagh said:
Well, when you say "newest" we're talking almost the last 30 years or something aren't we? They haven't made the square foil getter ones in a long ass time and I have barely ever seen them for sale anywhere in years, so yeah I'm talking about current production.

Wait, scratch that, they aren't really current anymore because the factory burned down.
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Yes, the new ones are not that new anymore. The square getter ones were most common during the 80ies till mid to late 90ies. I think they are called as well 8th gen whereas the "newer" ones are the 9th gen.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4041976553...BwLady7DJu1IQCAqDheAOE31g7M=|tkp:BFBM_I760dph
 
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BesaMoogie said:
Yes, the new ones are not that new anymore. The square getter ones were most common during the 80ies till mid to late 90ies. I think they are called as well 8th gen whereas the "newer" ones are the 9th gen.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4041976553...BwLady7DJu1IQCAqDheAOE31g7M=|tkp:BFBM_I760dph
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That’s not a bad price at all if they actually do work. Nothing was coming up at all with me searching for terms like “chinese 12ax7 square getter.” Did any other amp manufacturers use these as OEM preamp tubes in that time period?
 
Bardagh said:
That’s not a bad price at all if they actually do work. Nothing was coming up at all with me searching for terms like “chinese 12ax7 square getter.” Did any other amp manufacturers use these as OEM preamp tubes in that time period?
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I saw them from Engl, Marshall ECC83 and Groove Tubes and other non guitar-related brands.
Just be sure there are pictures with the square getter, as all of those above mentioned brands do have many tubes from different munufactorers they relabel.
You can also search for Beijing 12ax7 or Beijing 6N4 (or 6N4-J?)

I had good luck buying them used as they are low microphonic and test strong in general, even after being used for years.
 
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