Kahler vs. Floyd

[Drkorey]

Anyone ever had any probs. with a Kahler with Floyd type locking nut? I owned a guitar briefly with one and thought it did just as well as the floyds I've got. I'm looking at a new guit with one, and besides keeping the rollers well oiled any other issues to be concerned with?

 

[Marshall Law]

Floyds were first, kahlers are cool, more maintenance thats for sure

 

[Drkorey]

As in keeping it oiled up?

Floyds were first, kahlers are cool, more maintenance thats for sure

 

[Marshall Law]

As in keeping it oiled up?

Floyds were first, kahlers are cool, more maintenance thats for sure

basically ya

 

[dstroud]

I could never stand the feel of the Kahlers.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I had a Kahler Pro back in the 80's and mine actually required less maintenance than a Floyd (no springs to possibly adjust when changing strings...etc.).

As far as the locking nut, Kahler supplied a unit that was installed behind the regular nut if you were retrofitting one to a guitar. But if the guitar already has a Floyd nut it's even better IMO.....

The Kahler is less stiff and doesn't require as much force as a Floyd....you can depress it to blubber with your pinky

I always think of those "squiggles" you hear in some Slayer solo's as a good representation of how a Kahler performs

 

[Subclavian]

I'm not a big fan of Kahlers. I do think the design is a little better with how you don't have to adjust the springs and stuff compared to the Floyd...it's just the 3 Kahler equipped guitars that I've had have been very poor on the tone side of things.

 

[stratotone]

Plus kahlers don't lock the strings at the bridge end... they never will stay in tune as well as a properly adjusted floyd.

Pete

 

[Gainzilla]

IMHO, Kahlers Chug the hog hard, I rate them with bigsbys. th eonly thing Kahler ever did right was the Spyder which was their version of a Floyd, it was so good that they got sued for it..

I hate Kahlers more than indy/alt fag rock!!!! Matter of fact, Id like to punch Mr Kahler in the yambag for inventing it. Did I mention that I hate them?

 

[Odin]

IMHO, Kahlers Chug the hog hard, I rate them with bigsbys. th eonly thing Kahler ever did right was the Spyder which was their version of a Floyd, it was so good that they got sued for it..

I hate Kahlers more than indy/alt fag rock!!!! Matter of fact, Id like to punch Mr Kahler in the yambag for inventing it. Did I mention that I hate them?

 

[Gainzilla]

Now thats what Im talking about!!! Why Floyd rose stopped making that model is beyond me, its a real viable alternative to Kahlers or anything else out there. You could get away with a Kahler Locking nut as opposed to having to put having to carve in a floyd nut for a low impact trem on a LP IMO... That and it looks sounds and feels so much better...

Kage

 

[Shiny_Surface]

IMHO, Kahlers Chug the hog hard, I rate them with bigsbys. th eonly thing Kahler ever did right was the Spyder which was their version of a Floyd, it was so good that they got sued for it..

I hate Kahlers more than indy/alt fag rock!!!! Matter of fact, Id like to punch Mr Kahler in the yambag for inventing it. Did I mention that I hate them?

I knew this was coming

Funny thing is, back in the 80's I saw more Kahler converted Les Paul's than ones with Floyds

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Plus kahlers don't lock the strings at the bridge end... they never will stay in tune as well as a properly adjusted floyd.

Pete

I wonder if the new Ibanez trems fall prey as well, I don't think you have to cut the ends off those either, never thought of that.

 

[Gainfreak]

regardless of what everyone thinks about which one is better, the fact remains that if we are talking about the OLD kahlers that had the rollers and such, you had to route the shit out of your guitars wood in order to get them installed. I know for a fact that when I installed my Kahler, it altered the tone of my guitar in a negative way becuase of how much wood they took out of the guitar to fit that fucker in. Another thing that sucked about the Kahlers design is that if you sweat a lot when you play, you will absolutely fry out the rollers. The rollers will lock up like a rotweilers jaw!
When I used Kahlers I always had to have parts laying aound to keep them up and running. Another thing is that the locking nut was made from very soft metal.....went through 5 of those fuckers. And they dont stay in tune for shit!!

IMHO the OLD kahlers blow donkey balls and I wish to God I never installed one.

Not sure WTF they are up to today.

 

[Digital Jams]

Plus kahlers don't lock the strings at the bridge end... they never will stay in tune as well as a properly adjusted floyd.

Pete

I wonder if the new Ibanez trems fall prey as well, I don't think you have to cut the ends off those either, never thought of that.

The ball inserts inside but still locks with a metal block, you can leave the ball or cut it.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

regardless of what everyone thinks about which one is better, the fact remains that if we are talking about the OLD kahlers that had the rollers and such, you had to route the shit out of your guitars wood in order to get them installed. I know for a fact that when I installed my Kahler, it altered the tone of my guitar in a negative way becuase of how much wood they took out of the guitar to fit that fucker in. Another thing that sucked about the Kahlers design is that if you sweat a lot when you play, you will absolutely fry out the rollers. The rollers will lock up like a rotweilers jaw!
When I used Kahlers I always had to have parts laying aound to keep them up and running. Another thing is that the locking nut was made from very soft metal.....went through 5 of those fuckers. And they dont stay in tune for shit!!

IMHO the OLD kahlers blow donkey balls and I wish to God I never installed one.

Not sure WTF they are up to today.

Back in the 80's they actually made cheap licensed Kahlers, I had one on my JB player strat copy my parents bought me back then.

So getting the real Kahler was an upgrade for me and didn't require any additional routing

If you guys think licensed Floyd's can be bad, I hope you never come across a licensed Kahler!!

 

[MARK1970]

IMHO, Kahlers Chug the hog hard, I rate them with bigsbys. th eonly thing Kahler ever did right was the Spyder which was their version of a Floyd, it was so good that they got sued for it..

I hate Kahlers more than indy/alt fag rock!!!! Matter of fact, Id like to punch Mr Kahler in the yambag for inventing it. Did I mention that I hate them?