Mesa vs Diezel cab?

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Hey everybody!

I currently use a Mesa traditional sized recto cab...I´m a bit curious of the Diezel rearloaded V30 cab but I haven´t got a chance to try one. anyone got any experience with these two cabs? Pros and cons please ;)

Rock on dudes!
 
I just traded my old Mesa Recto Std Cab with V30s for a new Diezel FL 4x12".
The previous owner just sold his Herbert and bought a Mesa Roadster. And I
have to agree that Mesa sounds better through Mesa while Diezel sounds
better through Diezel. I use the cab with a Herbert and it sounds much crisper
and the cab seems to have more attack. Very clear sound, no mud! Guess it´s
cuz the Mesa cab has actually too much bass.
But there are two different speakers in X-Pattern in my Diezel cab. Two Celestion
V30s and two Celestion MC90s (Mesa Black Shadow).
 
Yeah I´ve played the standard recto cab and I seriously dislike the oversized cab...to muddy and bas that is impossible to controll. You got the frontloaded Diezel cab and all frontloaded cabs are tighter and more "bright" sounding. But I´ve heard the same thing that mesa for mesa and diezel for diezel...maybe it´s worth the chance. :confused:

Rock on!! :rock:
 
The Udo":f443f said:
Hey everybody!

I currently use a Mesa traditional sized recto cab...I´m a bit curious of the Diezel rearloaded V30 cab but I haven´t got a chance to try one. anyone got any experience with these two cabs? Pros and cons please ;)

Rock on dudes!
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I'll sell the Mesa and buy a Diezel front loaded cab (especially for metal).
Also front loaded cabs record better through my experience.
 
I actually just bought the Diezel rear loaded cab with V30's in it and my guitar player has a Mesa Boogie cab (the oversized one). I have also owned the Diezel front loaded cab with Diezel Custom speakers.

The Diezel rear loaded cab sounds great very full sounding while still retaining the highs and mids. I find myself turing the depth control all the way down. I run a Diezel Vh4 with the cab and it sounds brutal. I have owned the Diezel front loaded cab with Diezel speakers and they sound completely different. Some people really dislike the sound. Those cabs are made for playing live, they cut right through the mix and sound very clear. Very transparent. The Mesa cab does not sound that great with the VH4, I agree with the previous poster. Mesa's sound good with the Mesa's. Mesa Boogie Triple Rec's have a more a lot of treble, they are bright, so if you amp is not very bright than the cab sounds muddy.

If you have not played a front loaded cab and are used to more traditional cabs, go with the reload Diezel with the V30's it is a great cab. The front loaded cab has a honky sound to it. Played alone without a band you may not like it. You have to hear it when played with a full band to here what it sounds like.
 
I've played Herbert with Mesa Std 4x12 & I thought it sounded muddy, then I recorded it & it sounded killer. Now I use Mesa 2x12 with it, but go for 4x12 when it's time for recording.
Didn't have a chance to try Diezel cabs yet, too much money goddamn it :gethim: Give us a brake Diezel :)
 
I went for the RL V30 Diezel cab without having heard it for my VH4 half stack that's on the way. I played the VH4 vs. my Mesa Road King II through a FL Diezel speaker cab and it definitely wasn't the kind of sound you get through a Mesa cab. The RL V30 seemed closest specs wise to a Mesa Traditional (Stiletto) cab, so I went with that, as that's more the sound I like.
 
Yeah I like the sound of the rearloaded cabs aswell...the thing I´m after is a cab that isn´t saggy but still fat...make sense?

Tabs - How was the sound difference between the VH-4 and the Road King....never played the Road King but I own a VH-4 so I´m curious! :)
 
I owned the Roadking 1 and it was a piece of junk. I sounded terrible. You had to have the clean channel all the way up and the gain down to get it clean. They you would have to have channel three turned all the way down to match the levels. Mesa agreed with me on many of the problems that I voiced. Also channel two was not useable. It is basically a poor mans VH4.
 
I bought the RK II last year thinking at the time that it would be the last amp I'd ever need... needless to say, it wasn't. ;) I've gotten some good sounds out of it, but overall certain things just started to really annoy me with it - here's a rundown:

1. The clean channels

Everyone talks about how the RKII has some of Mesa's best cleans ever cause they're out of the Lonestar etc... I completely disagree, in fact I like the clean on a plain Dual Rectifier better than the ones on the RK/Roadster. I've never found a clean sound I liked on the thing and I sat there literally for a whole day trying the 6 different modes on the 2 channels, different power tube combos, etc. It has way too much "spank" if you will, this sort of honk when you pick, I really dislike that kind of sound and nothing I tried would get rid of it. I put compressors in front of it, tried adding gain/breakup etc. My PodXT honestly sounds better for cleans.

2. The lead sound

I had a very hard time getting a smooth yet cutting lead sound - Channel 3 Vintage is what I use for it and there's just not enough of that liquid singing type lead that I want to hear. I thought about trying a boost pedal like the Maxon everyone uses with Rectifiers but I'd already decided to get another amp at that point.

3. The low end "sag"

I know this is my own fault for getting a Rectifier, cause it's part of that sound, but we started writing a few songs that needed some tighter sounding lower stuff and it is just flat out impossible to get this amp to not have that flabbiness in the low end. It's almost like the note/chord keeps resonating after you mute it.

4. Switching

I was pretty much almost immediately sick of the pedal tap dance and decided I needed to get a MIDI system going to make it so I only have to press one button to change channels and effects. Little did I know when I initially bought the amp what a pain it is to do that. I would have had to buy not only the MIDI pedalboard but some really expensive custom switching gear from someone like Axess or RJM to be able to control all the functions on the head. Mesa only gives you 1/4" relay jacks for the channels, solo boost, loops, etc...

Anyway... the VH4 pretty much blew it away. Uwe Salwender was nice enough to let us stop by his shop in LA when we were out there playing some shows and I was able set the RK right next to the VH4 through the same cab and switch between them. The VH4 has way more definition in the tone, you can hear the individual notes in a chord even with heavy distortion much more clearly than with the RK. It can get that same wall of power chords type rhythm sound as the Mesa but it doesn't get all loose in the bottom, which I loved. There was absolutely no contest between the VH4's clean channel and the RK's - it blew it out of the water. The lead channel was also much closer to what I wanted, tons of sustain even with the gain only half way up.

I pretty much decided right there to get one :D If you know anyone who wants to buy a RKII next month let me know!

Ryan
 
Hahaha...I recognize your issues with Mesa....I owned a Dual Rectifier before and I hated the clean sound....totally flat! And I wasn´t 100% happy with channel 2 or 3, it was either definition and no chug at all, or alot of chug and no definition. Diezel is the shit...end of story! :thumbsup:
 
The Udo":e2c09 said:
Hahaha...I recognize your issues with Mesa....I owned a Dual Rectifier before and I hated the clean sound....totally flat! And I wasn´t 100% happy with channel 2 or 3, it was either definition and no chug at all, or alot of chug and no definition. Diezel is the shit...end of story! :thumbsup:
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Hi Udo,
I use PRS CE24 and VH4 too and now I´m looking for a cabinet... I was thinking about two thieles 1x12 EVM with one 2x12 Mesa Boogie or 2x12 Diezel rearloaded cabinet together, to try compensate 4x12 cabinet, couse I have problems with manipulation ( too small car :) ) .. but I heared my head on 4x12 last week .. and now I am in trouble ... I hardly resist to buy one 4x12 :D ... no way to compensate it by more smaller cabinets in my opinion :rock: ..
So I am now looking for 4x12 Rectifier Traditional or 4x12 rearloaded Diezel ( and no one store in Deutschland havo one... all rearloaded 4x12 Diezel are out of stock :cry: :scared: :cry: ) ...
I´d like to ask you, couse you use same guitar and head like my, why you use Rivera 4x12 and not Diezel or Mesa cab...

thanks for you reply, Michal :thumbsup:
PS: any more opinions from someone alse are welcome ;) :thumbsup:
 
Hey Michal!

I see you are a man of great taste! ;) I actually sold my Rivera, I just haven´t changed my info yet. I´currently using a friends Recto Traditional but I´m searching for a Diezel Rearloaded 4x12. The mesa is great but it´s a bit saggy for my taste.
 
The Udo":aa7dd said:
Hey Michal!

I see you are a man of great taste! ;) I actually sold my Rivera, I just haven´t changed my info yet. I´currently using a friends Recto Traditional but I´m searching for a Diezel Rearloaded 4x12. The mesa is great but it´s a bit saggy for my taste.
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Ok, maybe Iĺl go with Diezel rearloaded too, but no one in big stores in Deutschland and here in Czech, there is no Diezel Distributor... so maybe I will try to write to Diezelamplification to buy one right there, if it is possible :thumbsup: ..
I know, guitarist in Tool uses VH4 on Mesa Cabinets..but maybe it´s good for him, couse he is not solo player and for riffs it´s good enough, but for solo guitar, I am a bit worried to buy Mesa, if it will be clear and articulating enough.. so I will go maybe for Diezel cabs.. I heared, that they are clearer than Mesa... but don´t know :) :rock:
 
Tabs":a5c27 said:
I bought the RK II last year thinking at the time that it would be the last amp I'd ever need... needless to say, it wasn't. ;) I've gotten some good sounds out of it, but overall certain things just started to really annoy me with it - here's a rundown:

1. The clean channels

Everyone talks about how the RKII has some of Mesa's best cleans ever cause they're out of the Lonestar etc... I completely disagree, in fact I like the clean on a plain Dual Rectifier better than the ones on the RK/Roadster. I've never found a clean sound I liked on the thing and I sat there literally for a whole day trying the 6 different modes on the 2 channels, different power tube combos, etc. It has way too much "spank" if you will, this sort of honk when you pick, I really dislike that kind of sound and nothing I tried would get rid of it. I put compressors in front of it, tried adding gain/breakup etc. My PodXT honestly sounds better for cleans.
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Yup. I played the Roadster and it had TERRIBLE cleans. It was a toss up between ordering a RK II and waiting 6 weeks, or getting the Diezel Einstein. I'm glad I went with Diezel....I know now the Mesa would have been the worst purchase I ever made. Instead, the Diezel was the best purchase I ever made. :thumbsup: :rock:

Mesa cabs and amps-they sound terrible to me and I have owned Mark III, Tremoverb, Stiletto Ace and Trident and Recto cabs. They sound great on records and other people playing them....But not me.
 
i had the same cab, prefer the diezel, better and more musical and balanced match, IMO, but i also have the v30 and g12h30 speakers mixed in a cross pattern, not as "harsh" as all v30s. great setup, highly recommended. the mesa is a little boomier and darker / dirtier, but the diezel rear-loaded cab is a nice focused match, good and clean, that's my take.
 
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