More gain in the Renegade??

[veets987]

So what do you boys suggest on doing to maybe pushing the Renegade into a little higher gain without loosing its punch and character? Tubes?? Pedals??? Lets hear it????

 

[ledvedder]

OCD.

 

[veets987]

I've heard mixed reviews on the OCD. I really just wanting to get a higher gain rhythm channel. I love what it already does just wanting to push the gain into a higher gain territory for some "heavier" tunes (not really metal tones though).

 

[fek]

Just push it with a clean boost. SD1, Bad Monkey, OCD, CC TOD (what I use), etc... Level up, gain down. That is all you need.

 

[Buckeyedog]

Just push it with a clean boost. SD1, Bad Monkey, OCD, CC TOD (what I use), etc... Level up, gain down. That is all you need.

+1

You can always get some good chinese or Tung Sol high gain pre amp tubes as well.

 

[veets987]

If i went the Preamp route what preamp tubes you think i should put in what position? ex.. V1, V2 etc.... I may have 1 Hi Gain JJ preamp tube laying around.

 

[Rogue]

I've actually wanted to start a similar thread on this topic. My situation is that I'm fine with the gain I can get for a lead tone from the Renegade, but I prefer my rhythm tone with a little less gain...then I lose the lead tone.

Rolling back the volume on the guitar doesn't quite do the same thing as rolling back the gain on the amp. It's doable, but not preferable. And the rhythm tone at higher gain still sounds good, but I just like it with a little less gain more.

I can also boost a less gain rhythm tone with a pedal, but I would like to get it close to the kind of tone I get with the gain turned back up. Without losing the character of that tone, of course.

I have a Bad Monkey, and it's ok, but it colors the tone a little more than I'd like. It seems the OCD and BB preamp are popular. Which one colors the tone less but can get a decent gain boost from? Or what other pedals are people using for a gain boost for leads on the Renegade?

 

[mmorse]

I use the Blackstar HT Dual with my Renegade. It has 2 gain channels, EQ, ISF control (similar idea as the Renegade's tube mix), each channel has individual gain and volume controls, and is tube driven. It can also be used as a clean boost.

I set up the Renegade's gain for a nice rhythm crunch and use the pedal for a bit additional gain and volume for leads.

 

[Rogue]

I use the Blackstar HT Dual with my Renegade. It has 2 gain channels, EQ, ISF control (similar idea as the Renegade's tube mix), each channel has individual gain and volume controls, and is tube driven. It can also be used as a clean boost.

I set up the Renegade's gain for a nice rhythm crunch and use the pedal for a bit additional gain and volume for leads.

I use the Blackstar HT Dist on my clean channel for a good heavy modernish tone, but as a boost on the gain channel doesn't do all that well. How is the Dual compared to the Dist? Is the second button on the Dual like the Dist and the first button more like a OD boost? The Dist is a killer pedal for distortion, not so much for a gain boost though.

 

[Rogue]

Nevermind, I listened to some clips and it doesn't appear the Dual is very similar to the Dist.

But, pretty cool...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FNAAFcitU8

 

[viking22]

Is the second button on the Dual like the Dist and the first button more like a OD boost?

Yep!First channel (button) is a OD boost.From 100% clean to heavy crunch. PS:the 2° channel is very similar,if not identical,to the Dist. EDIT :I just listened to the YouTube demo,it's ok but don't forget it's ENTIRELY recorded with the EMULATED OUTPUT !It's ok but it's not the same as the normal output !

 

[mmorse]

The HT Dist is for metal tones. The HT Dual is more like a typical OD boost. It IS the pre amp of the Blackstar HT5 head and combo. Channel 1 and Channel 2 are voice differently but they share the same tone stack. I've never really tried but one should be able to come close to the Renegades OD tone while adding more gain.

The only thing I didn't like about the pedal is that it ships with the same Sovtek ax7 as the Renegade has. I don't like that tube so I replaced it with an old Mullard.

 

[Rogue]

The HT Dist is for metal tones. The HT Dual is more like a typical OD boost. It IS the pre amp of the Blackstar HT5 head and combo. Channel 1 and Channel 2 are voice differently but they share the same tone stack. I've never really tried but one should be able to come close to the Renegades OD tone while adding more gain.

The only thing I didn't like about the pedal is that it ships with the same Sovtek ax7 as the Renegade has. I don't like that tube so I replaced it with an old Mullard.

Do you have it setup to change the tone of the Renegade for leads? If so, what are you doing?

I really dig the Dist for what it does. If the Dual is similarly cool a pedal, it's worth looking into.

 

[viking22]

I don't think the Dist is for Metal tones;there is the DistX for Metal tones.I think the Dist is really like the 2° ch of the HT Dual...

 

[Rogue]

I don't think the Dist is for Metal tones;there is the DistX for Metal tones.I think the Dist is really like the 2° ch of the HT Dual...

I don't know, the Dist works for metal, IMO. The youtube clip I posted above doesn't sound like my Dist at all. However, he recorded all that direct. I'll check out some other demos, but thus far it sounds different from the Dist.

 

[viking22]

I don't think the Dist is for Metal tones;there is the DistX for Metal tones.I think the Dist is really like the 2° ch of the HT Dual...

I don't know, the Dist works for metal, IMO. The youtube clip I posted above doesn't sound like my Dist at all. However, he recorded all that direct. I'll check out some other demos, but thus far it sounds different from the Dist.

It's the EMULATED OUTPUT.It's a nice feature but it's completely different from the normal output.You can def. use the Dist & the Dual for some Metal but they made the DISTX esp. for Metal use...Btw, the clip doesn't sound like my Dual either,esp. for the high gain tones It's not surprising.

 

[mmorse]

Do you have it setup to change the tone of the Renegade for leads? If so, what are you doing?

I really dig the Dist for what it does. If the Dual is similarly cool a pedal, it's worth looking into.

I set the OD channel on the Renegade for my rhythm crunch and set up the HT for solos. I use channel one for a brighter, less gainy lead and channel 2 for a heavier more gainy lead. Works for me.

The only issue is, I have to re-EQ everything when switching from my LP to my Strat but that's to be expected I guess.

GC sells them so you have 30 days to try one to see if it will work for you. While I haven't tried to duplicate the OD tone of my Renegade with the HT, I have been able to virtually equal the tone of my Marshall 2204 when cranked at a MUCH lower volume. That's why I got it in the first place.

 

[Rogue]

It's the EMULATED OUTPUT.It's a nice feature but it's completely different from the normal output.You can def. use the Dist & the Dual for some Metal but they made the DISTX esp. for Metal use...Btw, the clip doesn't sound like my Dual either,esp. for the high gain tones It's not surprising.

I found one of the Dual that sounds similar to my Dist, so you could be right. So if the Dual is the Dist and a OD, dangit! I bought the wrong pedal.

 

[mmorse]

I don't think the Dist is for Metal tones;there is the DistX for Metal tones.I think the Dist is really like the 2° ch of the HT Dual...

I don't know, the Dist works for metal, IMO. The youtube clip I posted above doesn't sound like my Dist at all. However, he recorded all that direct. I'll check out some other demos, but thus far it sounds different from the Dist.

It's the EMULATED OUTPUT.It's a nice feature but it's completely different from the normal output.You can def. use the Dist & the Dual for some Metal but they made the DISTX esp. for Metal use...Btw, the clip doesn't sound like my Dual either,esp. for the high gain tones It's not surprising.

You're right, I forgot about the DistX. The Dist is the single channel version of the Dual.

 

[Rogue]

Do you have it setup to change the tone of the Renegade for leads? If so, what are you doing?

I really dig the Dist for what it does. If the Dual is similarly cool a pedal, it's worth looking into.

I set the OD channel on the Renegade for my rhythm crunch and set up the HT for solos. I use channel one for a brighter, less gainy lead and channel 2 for a heavier more gainy lead. Works for me.

The only issue is, I have to re-EQ everything when switching from my LP to my Strat but that's to be expected I guess.

GC sells them so you have 30 days to try one to see if it will work for you. While I haven't tried to duplicate the OD tone of my Renegade with the HT, I have been able to virtually equal the tone of my Marshall 2204 when cranked at a MUCH lower volume. That's why I got it in the first place.

I can still take the Dist back to GC and get the Dual. But I really dig the Dist for heavy stuff and would like to keep that aspect, but have a nice OD for a boost on the Renegade gain channel.

BUT, it looks both channels share the EQ on the dual. That might be the limiting factor. I'd hate to get my modern tone dialed in only to have the OD not work well with the Renegade gain channel...or vice versa.