More Speaker Swapping

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Yeah...I know...it's a cult for me. But...I've really started to hone into what I like / don't like about speakers very quickly.

So.

Got some more K100s, as I have missed having them around. Tried a TM212 w/ 2-K100s. Great great low end, and great upper mids. Felt it was a bit lacking in the lower mids. But, if you are a V30 guy, but want a higher headroom speaker without the speaker breakup you get at higher volumes, then the K100 is your speaker. I really played it a lot today, and did realize that it by itself was not for me. So. I had a T75 and a CL80 sitting there, and so I setup one TM212 with the K100 / T75 combo, and a CL80 / K100 combo in another.

They both sound equally good. I definitely really like both for different reasons. The CL80 / K100 combo has a bit more mid-range beam to it...and a little midrange clarity to it, which lends itself really well to the COD, and VX types of tones. But I like it a bit less for the EG5, GNR, DLX for me and my tastes at least. The T75 / K100 combo in it sounds amazing for all my modules. The T75 does add some clarity to the K100, and presence...and more low mids. There is a slight sag in the mid-mids like a normal T75 has, which I really like. The K100 helps give it more gerth and punch in the upper mids like a V30 does...but without all the detractors a V30 has that bugs me after a while. The punch it has when you are running the EG5 / GNR is just plain amazing. But, it's not overdone either. The low end of the K100 is definitely a bit lower on the frequency spectrum vs the T75. The T75 has great low mid crunch. The T75 has a bit more sparkle on the top end, which helps fill out those frequencies that the K100 doesn't have. It's like the "uberkab" T75/V30 setup, but better...with no speaker breakup, higher hearroom, and no shrill upper mids.

I did try the CL80 / V30 combo for a bit, which is what prompted me to try the K100 / CL80 combo. I liked some of the frequencies that the V30 brought in, albeit too much of them for my taste. What I have found, is that I personally do not gel with speakers that have a small dust cap. I've owned Webers, Scumbacks, and V30s - most of which have had small dust caps. They have all had a similar tone I don't like when driven harder and louder. It's that speaker breakup and raspiness. I have found that large dust caps generally don't do that as easily, and have a smoother tone to them.

So. With all of this past 5-6 months of speaker swapping...I've tried so many things....and one speaker I keep coming back to is the T75. What a great speaker which is very underrated. I've put a K100 in my 2 mojo 2x12s..and I have to say, I don't like it in there. The 1x12 is naturally mid-rangey...so...it was too ice-picky for me. I have to put the presence on 0, and yank the treble out of my modules too to get it sounding right. So...I'm going to get a G12T100 (a higher wattage version of the T75 with a bit more mids and smoother high end) to try in there. I always liked a T75 in those cabs, so that might be what I stick with.

So long term (i hope..as I am really sick of changing speakers)...I am going to run a K100 / T75 combo in my Eggie TM212s... I haven't decided what I am going to do w/ my TM412...if I even keep it. I'm gonna throw 2 E80s and 2 T75s back in it...and that might be it's long term deal.

I did pre-order a Renegade 4-10 cabinet though. I got it at 20% off w/ a GC discount coupon I had, so depending on how that sounds next to my 4x12 w/ T75s / Elite 80s... I might just get rid of it. Or...if i really like the G12T100s (no reason why I won't...since they are based off of a T75)...I'll do 2 K100s and 2 T100s for a super metal cab :)

Any thoughts?

Eric
 
1st thought: You are the speaker swapping KING!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

2nd thought: I'm really glad that I discovered the "K" series. I guess cuz all over the marshall site you see "speaker of choice for Kerry King" you automatically think "death metal" speaker. But it's just an excellent versatile speaker. Eric's description is right on. The qualities that you like about the V30, but less cone breakup, more headroom, and bigger bass.

It's a total winner.
 
I've done 8-9 random "sit down and play tests" between the K100 / CL80 and K100 / T75 TM212s I have...and the clear winner for my personal taste is quickly becoming the K100 / T75. It's kinda like my TM4x12 (which has T75s / V30s in it right now) with more gerth, much tighter, and no speaker cone breakup at higher volumes, and w/o that upper mid-range spike the V30 has. I'd have to say...the K100 / T75 combo is an amazing combo for sure. The CL80 lacks a bit of punch, which I personally really like, and is a bit "beamy" in the mid-mids...

I keep doing these 5 minute tests...to let my ears rest in between each one. I've done a lot of testing / playing today...and everytime I've went and checked it out...it's definitely the one I keep wanting to play.

As for what RockStarNick said, yeah...KK uses Mode Four cabinets w/ the K100's in it..but man...they are NOT a death metal speaker IMHO. They CAN do that...but they are MUCH more versatile. Add a with em...and you it's even bigger of a sound.

I've found a winner for sure here.

I'm interested to try the T75 / Elite 80 combo in my TM412 again. I do miss having that around. It's a bit darker, which is cool for a different flair...but it's still a killer combo for sure!!! I'm still interested in trying a K100 / T100 combo. I just need to find 2 T100s in 8 Ohm to try it out! That could be an amazing 4x12 with that combo!

Who the hell knows though. I know I do all of these swaps...but man it sure does get old. Especially w/ the TM212 cabinets. They are definitely not the easiest cabinet to change speakers in.
 
Cool Eric. I still luv my tone with the G12T75/CL80 combo. I want to know how the K100's sound in an X pattern in a TM412 cab? and If you would pair them with the CL80 or V30s ? cause now I have 2 extra cl80'sand probably 2 V30s after I buy the TM412. Guess its time to sell some speakers.

Also do you know what speaker would best duplicate the old JBL E-120?
 
So...put the TM212 w/ K100 / T75 up to the TM412 w/ CL80 / T75. Both combos are awesome. The TM412 is definitely staying CL80 / T75. It has a bit relaxed mids (as you would expect), but has a really cool clarity and smoothness to it. It's a really interesting tone that lends itself really well to a 4x12 (as well as a 2x12). Glad to have that combo still for sure!! Compared to the TM212 w/ K100 / T75, the TM212 has a bit more upper mids (from the K100s) which is really, really cool. Has a cool crunch to it, but has a bit more top end than a K100 by itself because of the T75. They blend AWESOMELY, way better than a V30 / T75 combo IMHO, as the K100 is more of a full range speaker, and smoother / higher headroom, etc.

So...suffice it to say...I'm back to the old trusty combo of CL80 / T75 for sure, and it's staying in the TM412. I remember doing that combo for the first time a long time ago in that cab, and was blown away by it. Well...I still am even after not having that combo around for the past few weeks. I'm definitely really digging the K100 / T75 combo in the TM212s though, and that's the go forward plan for my 2 TM212s. I think it really lends itself to that cabinet. It can handle all the low end you can put at it, but it'll cut a bit more through the mix because of the upper mids of the K100.

So...I sure hope that these combos stick...as I'm sick of spending money / time / etc. chasing my tail here. I think I've really hit a wall...and there is always the "law of diminishing returns."

I would love to see Egnater put these two combos in a speaker cab. I think you all would be floored by them. I'll probably yank out one of my K100s in my TM212s and throw a CL80 in there for the Sweetwater deal, so ppl can A/B them...that's saying I can fit 2 2-12s in my car! :)

Eric
 
jlbaxe":ygsm9yo4 said:
Cool Eric. I still luv my tone with the G12T75/CL80 combo. I want to know how the K100's sound in an X pattern in a TM412 cab? and If you would pair them with the CL80 or V30s ? cause now I have 2 extra cl80'sand probably 2 V30s after I buy the TM412. Guess its time to sell some speakers.

Also do you know what speaker would best duplicate the old JBL E-120?
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I do too man. That T75 / CL80 combo is just the fucking bomb!

So I did the K100s w/ CL80s and V30s as well as T75s.

I'd say no no to V30s, as the K100 is similar to a V30 tonally, and that won't get you anything. I personally don't think you'll like it, since we have similar tastes in tone / speakers. The CL80s are really cool, but if you don't have 8 Ohm CL80s...then you'll be buying 4 new speakers anyways. K100s only come in 8 ohm. You can find 16 Ohmers...VERY RARELY.... Fender ordered a bunch of 16 Ohmers from Fender (a lot size of about 100-200), and that's all that exists at this point. I stupidly sold the 2 I had...*sigh*. Never have seen any more since.

So...Saying you'll probably need 4 new speakers anyways. I'd do either of the following:

2 K100s / G12T75s in an X pattern
2 K100s / G12T100s in an X pattern
2 K100s / CL80s in an X pattern

I felt the K100s / CL80 combo was a bit "beamy" in the mid-mids...which is why I preferred the K100 / T75 combo over the K100 / CL80 combo.

CL80s mesh better w/ T75s IMHO. BUT, both are killer setups man.
 
aeroic":33lv7frt said:
So...put the TM212 w/ K100 / T75 up to the TM412 w/ CL80 / T75. Both combos are awesome. The TM412 is definitely staying CL80 / T75. It has a bit relaxed mids (as you would expect), but has a really cool clarity and smoothness to it. It's a really interesting tone that lends itself really well to a 4x12 (as well as a 2x12). Glad to have that combo still for sure!! Compared to the TM212 w/ K100 / T75, the TM212 has a bit more upper mids (from the K100s) which is really, really cool. Has a cool crunch to it, but has a bit more top end than a K100 by itself because of the T75. They blend AWESOMELY, way better than a V30 / T75 combo IMHO, as the K100 is more of a full range speaker, and smoother / higher headroom, etc.

So...suffice it to say...I'm back to the old trusty combo of CL80 / T75 for sure, and it's staying in the TM412. I remember doing that combo for the first time a long time ago in that cab, and was blown away by it. Well...I still am even after not having that combo around for the past few weeks. I'm definitely really digging the K100 / T75 combo in the TM212s though. I think it really lends itself to that cabinet. It can handle all the low end you can put at it, but it'll cut a bit more through the mix because of the upper mids of the K100.

So...I sure hope that these combos stick...as I'm sick of spending money / time / etc. chasing my tail here. I think I've really hit a wall...and there is always the "law of diminishing returns."

I would love to see Egnater put these two combos in a speaker cab. I think you all would be floored by them. I'll probably yank out one of my K100s in my TM212s and throw a CL80 in there for the Sweetwater deal, so ppl can A/B them...that's saying I can fit 2 2-12s in my car! :)

Eric
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I'm looking forward to hearing this Eric. I think I'm only bringing 1 cab (Eggie 4x12) so I'd like to hear the difference.
 
muudrock":1n2svia4 said:
aeroic":1n2svia4 said:
So...put the TM212 w/ K100 / T75 up to the TM412 w/ CL80 / T75. Both combos are awesome. The TM412 is definitely staying CL80 / T75. It has a bit relaxed mids (as you would expect), but has a really cool clarity and smoothness to it. It's a really interesting tone that lends itself really well to a 4x12 (as well as a 2x12). Glad to have that combo still for sure!! Compared to the TM212 w/ K100 / T75, the TM212 has a bit more upper mids (from the K100s) which is really, really cool. Has a cool crunch to it, but has a bit more top end than a K100 by itself because of the T75. They blend AWESOMELY, way better than a V30 / T75 combo IMHO, as the K100 is more of a full range speaker, and smoother / higher headroom, etc.

So...suffice it to say...I'm back to the old trusty combo of CL80 / T75 for sure, and it's staying in the TM412. I remember doing that combo for the first time a long time ago in that cab, and was blown away by it. Well...I still am even after not having that combo around for the past few weeks. I'm definitely really digging the K100 / T75 combo in the TM212s though. I think it really lends itself to that cabinet. It can handle all the low end you can put at it, but it'll cut a bit more through the mix because of the upper mids of the K100.

So...I sure hope that these combos stick...as I'm sick of spending money / time / etc. chasing my tail here. I think I've really hit a wall...and there is always the "law of diminishing returns."

I would love to see Egnater put these two combos in a speaker cab. I think you all would be floored by them. I'll probably yank out one of my K100s in my TM212s and throw a CL80 in there for the Sweetwater deal, so ppl can A/B them...that's saying I can fit 2 2-12s in my car! :)

Eric
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I'm looking forward to hearing this Eric. I think I'm only bringing 1 cab (Eggie 4x12) so I'd like to hear the difference.
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I'm looking forward to meeting you guys for sure!!

Eric
 
Eric, you should just rent a u-haul trailer for the Sweetwater Gear Fest, and bring ALL your cabs! hahaha
 
RockStarNick":3pq8k7dr said:
Eric, you should just rent a u-haul trailer for the Sweetwater Gear Fest, and bring ALL your cabs! hahaha
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Ahahahahaha that's funny. Rent a Van to bring my 4x12, 2x12's, and such ...that's classic! :)
 
So Eric I just got a TM212 on ebay. I have a V30 that I could swap a CL80 for, would you say it’s worth trying that combo? What would be the best bang for the buck right now? Get a T75 (CL80/T75) and down the road get a K100 (K100/ T75)?

So far my impression of the TM212 is its OK; I like it better with the panel off the back. I was using an avatar (open back) with a Helltone 30 and a green back and it sounded great up to a certain volume then not so much (a couple of really loud shows it got harsh and honky but otherwise great at low or recording volume).

The TM212 is different and seems to make some modules sound better to me (e’rect) but I did not like it with the EG3/4 (my fav). With the Bman it was just another version of good. Should I try the V30 in there?
 
aeroic":m8g6ra18 said:
Yeah...I know...it's a cult for me. But...I've really started to hone into what I like / don't like about speakers very quickly.
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Any thoughts?

Eric
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Here's a thought: Try Eminence V12 Legends - they might be *just* what you are looking for.

ty
 
Eric,would you say the K100/80 sound fuller as a single 212 as compared to the 75/80?I think with the 2 212s loaded with the 75/80 combo sounds full and just plain huge with all the right stuff but as a 212 they just sound like........ well,a 212.I guess the magic for me is 412s cause they just move shit!
 
Hi Eric,

I might try the G12K100/G12T75 mix in my Randall MTS cab. I hope they work with the slight slant of the front baffle of the Randall. I love that feature about it but you never know what speakers will not like it! LOL.
Any big difference with the new v. older Celestions and Chinese v. Britich made?

Thanks for doind all these tests bro. I played a friend's Marshall 412 with those 75s and thoughts it sounded really nice.

I might even grab some Webers to try as well. I hear his are even warmer and smoother!
 
richedie":2enmrnun said:
Eric, will you reveal your new discovery to the group? :D
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Ahh...sorry man :) Not really a new discovery....Just tonal bliss :)

I did a lot of testing here lately...and had my 4x12 w/ the T75 / CL80 combo...one TM212 w/ the CL80 / K100 combo...and one w/ the T75 / K100 combo. Did a lot of back and forth between all three. A LOT of back and forth. For me...the T75 / K100 combo, I did like a lot...but compared to the T75/ CL80 combo...it didn't jive as well....so I threw that combo out.... Great combo...just not for me.

So then there were two :). The T75/CL80 combo and the K100/CL80 combo. Both are equally awesome...

What did it for me...was the scooped nature of the T75 vs the K100. The K100 has a similar feel / vibe to a K100...without the scooped mids....plus it has a better low end...and more sparkly top end. It blends INCREDIBLY well w/ the CL80 too. I like the CL80 a lot...especially mixed with other speakers....The K100 was the best one for me. Adds a bit of upper mids (like a V30)...but without the shrill, crackly nature of a V30...that I just don't like.

So...I finally am pretty confident on this speaker combo. I have the K100 in my sealed custom Mojo 1x12...and it kills. I prefer it to the ported Egnater 1x12...as I feel its much tighter on the bottom end (and I like a precise bottom end)....and really is awesome through the mids. Great speaker in a 1x12...and mixed w/ a CL80.

What I learned...is that I hate swapping speakers in the TM212!!!! :) But...I love the tone...that's for sure. I'm keeping 2 of the TM212s...1 of the Custom Made Mojo 1x12s... And I'm on the preorder list for a Eggie Renegae 4x10 from Musicians Friend.

Can't frigging wait for that thing :)
 
So the 80/100 is your new ride. :D

How much did you say the Custom Made Mojo 1x12s cost new?
 
richedie":1furkhr1 said:
So the 80/100 is your new ride. :D

How much did you say the Custom Made Mojo 1x12s cost new?
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$400 empty.

Eric
 
aeroic":3itq6vi0 said:
So then there were two :). The T75/CL80 combo and the K100/CL80 combo. Both are equally awesome...

What did it for me...was the scooped nature of the T75 vs the K100. The K100 has a similar feel / vibe to a K100...without the scooped mids....plus it has a better low end...and more sparkly top end. It blends INCREDIBLY well w/ the CL80 too. I like the CL80 a lot...especially mixed with other speakers....The K100 was the best one for me. Adds a bit of upper mids (like a V30)...but without the shrill, crackly nature of a V30...that I just don't like.

So...I finally am pretty confident on this speaker combo. I have the K100 in my sealed custom Mojo 1x12...and it kills. I prefer it to the ported Egnater 1x12...as I feel its much tighter on the bottom end (and I like a precise bottom end)....and really is awesome through the mids. Great speaker in a 1x12...and mixed w/ a CL80.

What I learned...is that I hate swapping speakers in the TM212!!!! :) But...I love the tone...that's for sure. I'm keeping 2 of the TM212s...1 of the Custom Made Mojo 1x12s... And I'm on the preorder list for a Eggie Renegae 4x10 from Musicians Friend.

Can't frigging wait for that thing :)
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Well, you've got me sold on the K100. I have a Lopoline 1x12 with a 25 watt Greenback but was wanting to try something different. Figured I would try a K-100 in my 1x12 until I get a TM212. But I also want to get an E2 when available so not sure when I will budget for a 212. Nevertheless, can't wait to try out the mighty K100. Always good info on this forum...thanks for posting all your results. Very informative.
 
I love the Eminence Texas Heat 16ohm. Work well with the Herbert, Pittbull & even the 5150. Was running em in an x pattern with 75's however it sounds better just running the 2 texas Heat's on their own @ 8ohms. Makes the cab more oversized & it sounds great.
If I cook em I still have the 2 75's as backup.
I will be putting 2 Eminence cannbas Rex speakers in where the 75's are eventually. If they sound better blended I will split the box blended, if not I will split it as I have now & use whichever speaker sounds best & keep the other 2 as backup. ;)
 
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