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what's the difference between the clean channel on the herbert and the clean channel on the VH4 ? which one sounds best?

best in a Fender Strat/single coilish kind of way.... not in the EMG metal clean kind of way....
 
I think the VH4 has a nicer clean tone than the herbert. It´s more dynamic in my opinion. Hard to explain but it´s more a clean sound in the way I understand clean sound. Thas does not mean the herbert has not a good clean sound, the VH4 is just better. But the best clean comes out of the Schmidt, no doubt about that!!!! :rock:
 
what would the main differences be in you opinion?

I play mostly strats with single coils and I love the Fender cleans.
 
nah, too much money in shipping. I'm keeping it.

Still open for a Schmidt trade though
 
Most definitely the VH4 Ch.1 is better by a long shot over the Herbie's.

Steve
 
I like Herbert's clean better.
What I do really like on the VH4 channel though is the bright switch and the gain pot, esp. on stage when I'm using a Strat AND a Lester. Easier to switch between them in a second - Herbert needs some more time to get the pots tweaked for each guitar.
 
I prefer the Herbie clean. seems fuller & much cleaner to me. Very bubbly! The VH4 seems a little more dirty to me & not as full. But thats just me! :D
 
interesting...but would you guys mind telling me why tyou like one over the other?
 
I could not say I like one over the other because they are different enough to be utilized for
different needs.

The Herbert has a bell like clarity and and the percussive response of a grand piano. The tone, I think is unique to only the Herbert. The VH4 has the ability
to alter the cleans with the gain knob and bright switch like Olaf said. It can go from funky compressed chicken' tones
to dark overtones all the way to breakup ala pushed old Fenders. For blues with a clean boost the VH4 Ch. 1 is very
good, the Herbert not so much but the 2 - is in a world of it's own for boosting. The gain knob interacts so well with clean boosts
and the tonal variety with the mild compression with increased gain makes it sing it's own song.

I really don't feel anyone here is going to help you with your question. You need to go and find out in person.
It's difficult to try and sway someone from one Diezel to another when you already have multiple models.
They are the most addictive drug to tone junkies.

Here is a great vid of Rob Tahan and some Herbie blues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSsMdkbDdE0
 
MARK2C":f4vjs837 said:
I could not say I like one over the other because they are different enough to be utilized for
different needs.

The Herbert has a bell like clarity and and the percussive response of a grand piano. The tone, I think is unique to only the Herbert. The VH4 has the ability
to alter the cleans with the gain knob and bright switch like Olaf said. It can go from funky compressed chicken' tones
to dark overtones all the way to breakup ala pushed old Fenders. For blues with a clean boost the VH4 Ch. 1 is very
good, the Herbert not so much but the 2 - is in a world of it's own for boosting. The gain knob interacts so well with clean boosts
and the tonal variety with the mild compression with increased gain makes it sing it's own song.

I really don't feel anyone here is going to help you with your question. You need to go and find out in person.
It's difficult to try and sway someone from one Diezel to another when you already have multiple models.
They are the most addictive drug to tone junkies.

Here is a great vid of Rob Tahan and some Herbie blues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSsMdkbDdE0
Click to expand...

That looks like an Einstein to me? Anyway, you are obviously going to get mixed opinions on this as everyones tastes vary. But having owned both I will not say one is better than the other but the Herbert is definitely a "cleaner" "spankier" clean whereas the VH4 seemed quite a bit darker and more "round" sounding. The Herberts clean can get a bit ice-picky with single coils though.
 
thanks for the replies guys.

I'm not gasing a Herbert or anything (although, now that I think about it..... :scared: :D ) I just felt curious as to wich one had "better" cleans.....but I guess peter did a great job, making them different enough but at the same time equality as good.
 
mraajr":180kht3h said:
MARK2C":180kht3h said:
I could not say I like one over the other because they are different enough to be utilized for
different needs.

The Herbert has a bell like clarity and and the percussive response of a grand piano. The tone, I think is unique to only the Herbert. The VH4 has the ability
to alter the cleans with the gain knob and bright switch like Olaf said. It can go from funky compressed chicken' tones
to dark overtones all the way to breakup ala pushed old Fenders. For blues with a clean boost the VH4 Ch. 1 is very
good, the Herbert not so much but the 2 - is in a world of it's own for boosting. The gain knob interacts so well with clean boosts
and the tonal variety with the mild compression with increased gain makes it sing it's own song.

I really don't feel anyone here is going to help you with your question. You need to go and find out in person.
It's difficult to try and sway someone from one Diezel to another when you already have multiple models.
They are the most addictive drug to tone junkies.

Here is a great vid of Rob Tahan and some Herbie blues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSsMdkbDdE0
Click to expand...

That looks like an Einstein to me? Anyway, you are obviously going to get mixed opinions on this as everyones tastes vary. But having owned both I will not say one is better than the other but the Herbert is definitely a "cleaner" "spankier" clean whereas the VH4 seemed quite a bit darker and more "round" sounding. The Herberts clean can get a bit ice-picky with single coils though.
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Very good point.
 
I've owned both, I think I answered this for you, or maybe it was about the Mark series amps... anyway, obviously as everyone else said it comes down to preference... personally the Herbert has the absolute best cleans I've heard aside from my Mark V that I owned (granted I've never owned a Fender amp)...

The best way I can describe Herbert's clean in a few simple words is bell-like, chimey, and crystal clear...

IMO VH-4 cleans are literally on the opposite end of the spectrum, usually darker (even with the bright switch engaged) and can be much more gritty... and obviously with the addition of the gain knob you can get some dirt in there which can be great for live playing... me personally, I like my clean to be just that, super super clean, no hint of breakup what-so-ever... and the Herbert delivers that, hell to be honest, I can't even really get the clean channel on my Herbert to breakup unless it's at ear shattering volumes... (this is without a boost obviously)

So in short... I was probably no help what-so-ever... just like everyone else, there really is no answer to your question... and this is the reason people just end up owning both... I should know, the Herbert is at the practice space and I have a VH-4 on the way shortly :D
 
PaulyPanacea":3ncf055m said:
I prefer the Herbie clean. seems fuller & much cleaner to me. Very bubbly! The VH4 seems a little more dirty to me & not as full. But thats just me! :D
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:yes:

A Wood
 
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