Need your help guys (Egnater model and modules content)

[Joeytpg]

First of all, hi to all.

Second, I come to you, because I'm searching for new tones. I own a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo, which I trully LOVE, but honestly, sometimes GAS kicks in and a musicians needs to try new waters (I'm sure we've all been there )

Anyways, I can only own one amp at the moment (for budget reason, and believe it or not, for space reasons)
So, given this conditions I'm ready to sell my F-50 and test new horizons.

So far I like what Egnater offers (tone wise) but I'm new to the Modules world and even though there are numerus websites describing what each module sounds like, I've always been more confident in listening to what the USERS say, and this is why I come to you.

A little background:

I'm a solo artist (singer/songwriter) playing mostly pop-rock with blues bits here and there. So I'm looking for an amp that has an EXCELLENT clean channel and a VERY VERY good crunch channel (for blues/rock). Now, this is what I need the most out of the amp, BUT I also NEED a VERY good high gain channel for hard rock/Metal because I play in a cover band that plays a lot of hard rock/metal songs (we do Metallica/Velvet Revolver/guns n roses/Pantera/Iced Earth...... type of stuff) so you can see that I need a channel that can do hard rock and 80's type of metal (NO DOOM METAL or NU-METAL shit really)

So, given these facts, what do you guys recommend? the new tourmaster 4100? the Mod50 (which modules?)

Thanks a lot guys, hope I'm not asking for too much.

 

[aeroic]

First of all, hi to all.

Second, I come to you, because I'm searching for new tones. I own a Mesa Boogie F-50 combo, which I truly LOVE, but honestly, sometimes GAS kicks in and a musicians needs to try new waters (I'm sure we've all been there )

Anyways, I can only own one amp at the moment (for budget reason, and believe it or not, for space reasons)
So, given this conditions I'm ready to sell my F-50 and test new horizons.

So far I like what Egnater offers (tone wise) but I'm new to the Modules world and even though there are numerous websites describing what each module sounds like, I've always been more confident in listening to what the USERS say, and this is why I come to you.

A little background:

I'm a solo artist (singer/songwriter) playing mostly pop-rock with blues bits here and there. So I'm looking for an amp that has an EXCELLENT clean channel and a VERY VERY good crunch channel (for blues/rock). Now, this is what I need the most out of the amp, BUT I also NEED a VERY good high gain channel for hard rock/Metal because I play in a cover band that plays a lot of hard rock/metal songs (we do Metallica/Velvet Revolver/guns n roses/Pantera/Iced Earth...... type of stuff) so you can see that I need a channel that can do hard rock and 80's type of metal (NO DOOM METAL or NU-METAL shit really)

So, given these facts, what do you guys recommend? the new tourmaster 4100? the Mod50 (which modules?)

Thanks a lot guys, hope I'm not asking for too much.

For clean, I'd recommend the T/D if you are looking for a glassy type clean tone that is very hard to get to break up on its own. (Hence the twin sound!). The B channel is a nice overdriven bluesy tone (think country / bluesy type tones here). For your crunch channel, I would recommend the SL2. It does a stock sounding JCM 800 sound on channel A, and a killer hot-rodded Marshall tone on channel B. For the hard rock / metal sounds the EG5 is the way to go.

You can go for the Tourmaster, but being a studio guy myself, the modularized approach is killer because you can buy a module that is the sound you are looking for, pop it in w/in 30 seconds, dial it in, and record! The tourmaster will just not do that, since its a 4-channel amp, and what you see is what you get. For me, the M4 is awesome since I can have 4 modules at my beck and call anytime . I am getting a Mod50 though to, to have in my arsenal. From what you describe, I think you'd be best if you get a Mod50, with 3 modules. If you are doing the pop-rock deal, have the T/D and SL2 popped in. If you are doing the cover tune gig, then have the T/D and EG5 popped in. If you are recording and want a VOX'y sound, buy a VX, and pop it in! The options are endless . But as far as versatility, the Mod50, with an assortment of modules will do you well.

The only question I have to ask to you, is what type of clean tone do you want. The bassman is another great option for clean tone, but its a little more gritty and slightly darker. But the B channel is to die for (from what people have told me ). I'm waiting on mine to come w/ my Mod50. *hint hint, poke poke...jeff hurry up!!! j/k *

I've gone Egnater, and I'll never look back. Its by far the best tone I have ever heard. You WILL not be disappointed .

Eric

 

[Joeytpg]

Oh man, thanks a lot! you answered ALL my questions in a single post! haha. that's kind of hard these days, with people being very busy and stuff.


anyways, I like the Mod 50 idea you gave me.....I like it A LOT. I have a few more questions for you.

1) the mod 50, how does it work? two channels with an A/B for each channel right? (making it a 4 channel amp, or a 4 tone possibility, am I correct?).

2) In case the Mod 50 works like I asked above, how "different" can I make a channel sound between the A and B option? for example, if i have the T/D module, and I'm running it "clean" and I want to switch to B mode, and get a dirty blues tone, will this be possible? How much the knobs affect the tone between A/B?

3) How much does the Mod 50 go for? (and how much for each module?)

CLEANS: I like a very CLEAN sound, right now I have a Mesa Boogie F-50, and I absolutely LOVE those cleans (it's a 6L6 amp, so it's a kind of dark clean tone but still very very articulate) I'm going for a John Mayer clean (he uses Two rock amps) but I like his sound.

So which one you think will do? T/D or Bassman?


thanks a lot buddy.

 

[aeroic]

1) the mod 50, how does it work? two channels with an A/B for each channel right? (making it a 4 channel amp, or a 4 tone possibility, am I correct?).

So how the mod50 works, is that each model has an A and B channel. They have shared EQ but each channel has a gain knob and master volume knob. On the T/D for instance, the T(win) channel (which is channel A) is pretty well clean with the gain all the way up. It gets a little gritty at higher gain settings, which is how i like it, but still has that chime and beauty to it!!! The D(eluxe) channel (which is channel B) has more of a Fender Deluxe tone, with more gain on tap. It has the ability to get overdriven country and hot rodded blues tones with it. Not as warm as John Mayer can get on his lead tone, but still good. The clean tones on the T channel are very sparkling and sound amazing. If you want SRV / John mayerish / chris duarte type of blues tones, I'd check out the COD module. Its a blues players dream. I play that w/ my strat on the neck position and it plays like butter! It also can get that old boogie santana type vibe also.

So w/ the 2 channels on each module, yes you are getting a 4 channel amp.

2) In case the Mod 50 works like I asked above, how "different" can I make a channel sound between the A and B option? for example, if i have the T/D module, and I'm running it "clean" and I want to switch to B mode, and get a dirty blues tone, will this be possible? How much the knobs affect the tone between A/B?

With the modules, you usually get different gain settings and slightly different EQ changes between modules. For instance on the SL2, it has gain similar to a stock JCM 800. When you go to Channel B, which is more hot rodded Marshall, the mids get scooped a little bit, and much more gain is on tap. That module is very awesome as you can get that marshall midrange sag and mushiness everyone loves . A lot of us on this forum love the Chinese 12ax7's in the SL2 and EG5 because it adds a bit more gain and has even better articulation.. In your T/D module question, yes you can do that. Since it is a shared EQ (normally this is an issue with most amps..NOT!!! with eggies...they dial in the EQ perfect. most modules sound awesome w/ the EQ at noon), the only knobs that are different from A to B are the Gain and Master Volume knobs. So what you are asking is easily attainable.

3) How much does the Mod 50 go for? (and how much for each module?)

Call the egnater shop tomorrow and ask for Jeff Hilligan. He's da man. I don't remember what the exact cost for the Mod50 is . I just ordered it and gave them my CC #!!! HAHAH. The modules are $400 a piece.

CLEANS: I like a very CLEAN sound, right now I have a Mesa Boogie F-50, and I absolutely LOVE those cleans (it's a 6L6 amp, so it's a kind of dark clean tone but still very very articulate) I'm going for a John Mayer clean (he uses Two rock amps) but I like his sound.

So which one you think will do? T/D or Bassman?

T/D and Bassman both . But that glassy articulate clean tone would be a T/D in my opinion.
thanks a lot buddy. [/quote]

 

[Joeytpg]

I like the COD module idea.

Is the COD module too different from the T/D ?

 

[EWSEthan]

WOW Eric lots of info you've provided! I agree with most of what has been said, but disagree a bit.

I think to start you want the TD and EG5. The TD will be the cornerstone of your clean and blues tones. Perfect for singer songwriter stuff. The TD will LOVE your neck pickup for John Mayer finger picking more than the BMan will. I LOVE the BMan but Im mostly a rock player. I really believe that for YOU, the TD is the winner.

I disagree with Eric on the SL2. Again, I LOVE SL2 but it wont do all the heavy tones you need by itself. I think to cover Pantera and Iced Earth you will need the added gain and attack of the EG5. You can always back the gain off on EG5 for more hard rock tones, but I do think you need it for metal.

COD will be great for you, but you only have 2 module slots at any time. I think COD will be GREAT for your bluesy solos and I think it should be your next module after TD and EG5, but honestly, you can cover all the ground nicely with TD and EG5. In fact, your favorite overdrive pedal in front of a TD will help you "fake" a COD tone. An Xotic BB Preamp works nicely for me. Even still, without an overdrive pedal TD and EG5 will cover everything you mentioned. COD would be icing on the cake for your more bluesy shows and can come with time. Thats whats great about the module stuff. You can always expand or change things up as you see fit.

Oh and MOD 50 was ~$2000 loaded with 2 modules last I heard (not sure if they went up at NAMM though)

 

[Joeytpg]

wow man, GREAT stuff....thanks a lot too.

Oh boy, I KNOW I'd buy a least 2 or 3 modules more besides the two that come with the mod50 hehehe

but anyways....... I think I'm sold on the Mod50 man.


Got any clips where I'll be able to listen to the T/D and EG5 modules?

 

[Joeytpg]

Oh guys, I'm going to order the MOD 50 tomorrow....but I have a question..... What would you get, the 2x12 cab or de 1x12?

I gig but not that ofter these days..... and when I do I Mic the amp. I'll be playing mostly home. I'm not worried about loudness with the 1x12 (I know it will still be pretty loud) but will it have the same punch and tightness as the 2x12?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

The 1x12 just kills!

 

[Joeytpg]

Perfect! thanks Jeff.

Hey Jeff, I read somewhere that a guy in Europe, called Egnater and order a head from you guys. He said you sent it to him.

Is this possible? Because I'm going to order from http://www.gtrgear.com but I don't know if it's the best option, or the cheapest.

I'm in Barcelona by the way.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Perfect! thanks Jeff.

Hey Jeff, I read somewhere that a guy in Europe, called Egnater and order a head from you guys. He said you sent it to him.

Is this possible? Because I'm going to order from http://www.gtrgear.com but I don't know if it's the best option, or the cheapest.

I'm in Barcelona by the way.

If you have dealt with Edwin at Gtrgear please deal with him because he is a dealer. If you have not we have no problem selling to you thru our store Amplounge.

 

[Joeytpg]

I haven't

How can I order through you guys?

 

[aeroic]

The 1x12 just kills!

But the 2x12 w/ Warehouse 30's kills also . Jeff I do have a question on the 1x12. Based on my review of the CL80's from Warehouse being a bit dark. How do they sound in your 1x12 cabs. Do your cabs bring in that bite on the top end more, or is just the warehouse cl80's that have a darker top-end? I love the bite of a T75 and the WHS V30's, but felt the CL80's were a bit too rounded on the top end for me.

Let me know.

Eric

 

[Joeytpg]

damn it, I'm not sure on what to order! haha (modules wise)

any suggestions besides the T/D - EG5 combo?


I like the COD module (the description at least) but will it do clean? can I have, lets say an COD and an EG5?

 

[aeroic]

WOW Eric lots of info you've provided! I agree with most of what has been said, but disagree a bit.

I think to start you want the TD and EG5. The TD will be the cornerstone of your clean and blues tones. Perfect for singer songwriter stuff. The TD will LOVE your neck pickup for John Mayer finger picking more than the BMan will. I LOVE the BMan but Im mostly a rock player. I really believe that for YOU, the TD is the winner.

I disagree with Eric on the SL2. Again, I LOVE SL2 but it wont do all the heavy tones you need by itself. I think to cover Pantera and Iced Earth you will need the added gain and attack of the EG5. You can always back the gain off on EG5 for more hard rock tones, but I do think you need it for metal.

COD will be great for you, but you only have 2 module slots at any time. I think COD will be GREAT for your bluesy solos and I think it should be your next module after TD and EG5, but honestly, you can cover all the ground nicely with TD and EG5. In fact, your favorite overdrive pedal in front of a TD will help you "fake" a COD tone. An Xotic BB Preamp works nicely for me. Even still, without an overdrive pedal TD and EG5 will cover everything you mentioned. COD would be icing on the cake for your more bluesy shows and can come with time. Thats whats great about the module stuff. You can always expand or change things up as you see fit.

Oh and MOD 50 was ~$2000 loaded with 2 modules last I heard (not sure if they went up at NAMM though)

I totally agree w/ you on the SL2 vs EG5 comments. I was assuming no one could buy a Mod50 w/ just 2 modules. I know I couldn't because its just so damn nice to have more than one . I must have mis-spoke on my earlier comments, because what you said what was I was trying to say .

For me the COD has been a killer module, as I play a lot more bluesy and funky type rock from time to time. Knowing you are more of a straight up rock player, I could tell why the COD would be a harder module to dial in. The COD for me has a mix between a old Boogie tone (Santana), with a Dumble Overdrive (SRV / Chris Duarte type tone), and a overdriven Fender Super Reverb w/ a overdrive pedal in the front. Its not a module that most rockers like because it has a more mushy midrange. I use it mainly with my Gretsch Duotone, and get awesome results. But its not a module that stays in my M4 all the time. Its a module I use to flavor a few songs here and there. My favorite module by and large are the T/D and the EG5. The EG5 like Matt said can get more of a classic rock sound on Channel A w/ the gain dropped down. One thing that I feel the SL2 has that the EG5 doesn't is a different tone from Channel A to B. Channel B on EG5land is like Channel A but with a bit more gain. But the EG5 has TONE, and LOTS OF IT! For me to play live, if I was doing more poppy rock, I think my recommendation of T/D and SL2 would be the better, a bit more versatile setup. For cover bands that delve into harder rock, then for sure a T/D and EG5 is the go to setup for the Mod50.

That's the beauty of the modular systems....their interchangeability, and being able to get modules to fit you .

Matt, how's the Bassman pair w/ the EG5 for your live situations? Do you use Channel B of the bassman for more of a traditional classic rock tone??? Is your tone on Channel A of the Bassman for clean "a little rough (gritty) around the edges?"

Just curious how you have your amp setup for live situations .

Eric

 

[aeroic]

damn it, I'm not sure on what to order! haha (modules wise)

any suggestions besides the T/D - EG5 combo?


I like the COD module (the description at least) but will it do clean? can I have, lets say an COD and an EG5?

For your first 2 modules.... a must is the T/D and either the SL2 or EG5.

If you are doing more hard rock stuff and less pop rock stuff, get the EG5. If you are doing mainly pop rock stuff, and less hard rock, get the SL2. If you do equal amounts, get both EG5 and SL2 . You will not be disappointed.

I do agree w/ Matt though, for live situations for you a T/D and EG5 probably are the best choices. The COD for me is something I use in the studio mostly for tasteful licks here and there w/ my Gretsch or my strats. If money is an issue, and you can only get 2 modules, get the T/D and EG5. If you can get 3, add the SL2. If you can get 4, either add the Bassman or the COD. I personally have 6 going on 7 modules at the moment.

But, I am going to sell my EG3/4 as I find it too dark for my tastes. I am waiting to get the bassman at the moment.

Top two modules by and large are the T/D and EG5, with the SL2 a close 3rd.

Eric

 

[jmgman69]

The 1x12 just kills!

YEP!

 

[Joeytpg]

wow man thnx!


do you have any clips or videos of your egnater?

 

[EWSEthan]

Get the 1x12. You dont need anything bigger and it sounds full and punchy. Plus, its light enough to be easy to carry. Big sound in a small (though still oversized for a 1x12) box. The 1x12 is the cab in my avatar. If you play small to mid-size venues, the 1x12 is totally killer.

Like Eric says, you will want more modules. And then like he says, SL2 and COD are good picks for you. I just think to start TD and EG5 will let you cover the most ground out of the gate.

For clips, check out this thread:
http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=24658

Most of them (especially John Cs) will leave your jaw on the floor.

One thing is for certain: You will NOT regret getting a MOD 50. For something on the lower end of boutique pricing, the tone and flexibility is outrageous. Youd think that for the flexibility there would be a sacrifice in either tone, materials, or build quality. There really are no compromises. Its the first amp Ive ever owned that I wouldnt change one thing about. Amazing amp.

 

[bstaley]

EG5

Seriously...if you are doing heavy shit like iced Earth and Pantera this module will be your best friend. The best part is that you can also make it sound like a Lynch/Martini sound. Yes, the same module that can nail Cemetary Gates will also nail Lay It Down. EG5 owns!