New Guy Questions About The Einstein

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I do strictly recording session work and need an amp that can work in many styles.

I am usually doing pop/rock work, which translates into usually several tracks of chimey clean Strats or Teles up high, while a Les Paul or ESP handles the heavy low chords, distorted, underneath. This is very typical of pop today. So I need to go from very Vox like cleans to some pretty heavy Marshall style distortion, think JCM800 here.

I recently asked a fellow session guy for suggestions on heads, and he mentioned the Bogner Ecstasy. I checked out some clips online and was not that overly impressed. A little buzzy to me. Through following various threads, I discovered the Diesel site, and many posts raving about the The Einstein for just the kind of thing I'm talking about.

I have a 4*12 Hiwatt cab with Fanes in it right now, and wonder what you guys think of the match between the Einstein 100 head (yes I know I'm recording and don't need that much power but I always find more power=more tone even at low volumes). The Beatles used Vox AC100 amps in the studio at times just on clean things, and they sounded great.

The clips I heard online of the Einstein were killer. I wish I could hear more of the bridge pickup on a Les Paul through the clean and distorted channels but I think I got enough of an idea to hear that his was clearly the best amp I've heard based on clips alone. Better than the Badcats and all the other boutique amps I listened to online.

Comments? Especially on the versatility of the Einstein?

Thanks
Tom
 
As far as the match with the fanes, I have no idea. Never tried them before. As far as the Einstein goes, my advice would be just pull the trigger and get one. The versatility is incredible. I've owned and still have a lot of different high end amplifiers and what I continue to love about the Einstein above all else is the "clarity" in any given mode. In all honesty, there are some other amp tones that I still love that I can't get out of the Diezel's, however, if I were to only afford myself one amp it would be the Einstein......................

BTW, I own the 50 watt head and it's waaaay more than enough for any situation.

peace,
-d
 
Thought about the Einstein combo? 50w, reverb, can also run a cab...
 
Pull the trigger, best amp I have ever owned by a large margin.

The clean channel is pristine all the way up to the maximum gain setting on it, then you get a really nice bluesy type of breakup with hotter pickups.

Mode two sounds to me like a mix of a few different amps, say Plexi with the gain lower, but with way more bass and not as midrange heavy. That mode alone will probably get you to JCM 800 territory and may even get you to the level of distortion that a boosted 800 can give you.

The third mode is a monster, tight high gain all the way. Crazy low end, beautifully detailed midrange and a singing top end.

The second channel is a great channel, with the gain low you can get a growling dirty blues tone, and adding gain only adds to the fun, more mids equal a liquidy, forever sustaining lead tone, and less mids can get you that crushing distortion that every guitarist screws around with at some point.

The loops are great, and the amp itself is built like a tank.

I will keep this amp forever, it's never leaving. Next thing on my agenda is to get it modded to work like a full midi head, like the Herbert or the VH4.
 
Just buy one!

It's not going to do the JCM800 thing exactly, but you will get all the crunch you need & awesome cleans.

Later add a Naylor SD60 to your collection for more marshallish crunch & you'll be set for life..

AS for XTC being buzzy, that's the way it sounds when the power amp is not pushed. Push it hard with less channel gain & it will sound not buzzy at all.
 
yeah man Diezel stuff is tops imo, but a big +1 on that xtc suggestion, i heard a pushed xtc classic and it was the sex!
peace
A Wood
 
I wouldn't call the XTC buzzy at all. Far from it actually. Woody, round, open and thick are a few words that come to mind. Being both an XTC and Herbert owner I'd say you coulnt go wrong with either Bogner or Diezel. The Diezel would be the more modern sounding of the two. What type of pop are you going for? The guitarist from Pink plays a Bogner Shiva and gets a great modern pop sound.
 
Cool, thanks for all the replies.

I have to cover a lot of modern pop, AND rock. Sometimes the line is thin....I might be doing something by BLINK 182 and next something by Avril, or teen pop like Hannah Montana. Much of the girl, teen pop stuff has some pretty great playing and sounds in it whether you like the music or not. You usually hear crystal clear Tele's or Strats doing pretty higher stuff, and then during the chorus sections, you'll hear all that plus low, heavy, Marshall or Mesa like driving two note rhythm stuff. And during the verses often a slightly edgey clean guitar or two. In one song you might run the gamut of really needing an AC30, a JCM800 and a Rectifier;) Since I can't afford all three, I got to asking around about what a good desert island amp that did a pretty good job of handling all that stuff was, and it seems like the Bogner and Diesel are the amps of choice for covering LOTS of ground....
 
With amps of this level the most important difference is how it feels in your hand & with your axe. Unless you can play them for yourself the only recommendation I can give you online is to buy any one of them. If you can't get what you want out of it blame the player, that's all there is to it.
 
I love the hell out of my Einstein, but this amp growls like a pissed off mountain lion.
 
I LOVE my Einstein.......

by the way, Mode 3 is suppossed to have AS MUCH gain as Ch2 ? Because my mo3 can get PRETTY heavy, but the gain knob needs to be past 3:00 (close to 4:00) whereas my chn2 with gain knobs at 2:00 is more thatn enough.


is this normal?
 
Get the 'Stein!

More and more I have realized that this amp as with all Diezel amps are just amazing. I've been doing a ton of live shows with it over the last 3 months and all of those inconsistencies that I have had with other amps, just don't exist with the Diezel. What you get is pristine, clear sound with a lot of headroom.

Did I mention tone for days?

I recently had a show where we were unable to mic my Einstein due to a board issue that the soundman had so I had to crank the Einstein up more and mix it in.

Needless to say....it sounded phenominal!

This amp is a keeper. :)
 
you should check out the VH4 - no question .
judging by what you've said you're after thats a lot more suited than the einstein . :)
 
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you should check out the VH4 - no question .
judging by what you've said you're after thats a lot more suited than the einstein . :)
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I'm so new to the world of Diezel forgive my ignorance.

Can you go into detail as to why it would be better?

Thanks
Tom
 
UPDATE:

I just went to Harmony Central to read reviews of the VH4.

Two things concern me....no one seems to like clean channel on this amp. "Dark" is a bad word for me....I want as much chime as possible on those cleans...

The other were the couple of people who had tremendous tech problems with their amps. The company was great about fixing them, but at this price, those seemed like some rather tough twists of fate for those folks.

Tom
 
you should go and try them for yourself - most written reviews of a subject that is so subjective are at best of limited use as they are written by someone who always has their own preferences and agenda , and we the reader usually know nothing about their experience or references for comparisons .
one mans fish ..... :)
 
Personal taste has a lot to do with it so trying these amps out will really help.

I prefer the voicing of the Einstein over that of the VH4. I found it more organic. I also like the way that the Einstein is very simple to use. It can definitely handle clean (almost sounds chorused - very sweet), mid gain and tight high gain plus solo needs. I replaced my Mesa Recto with the Einstein - there's no competition, especially with the cleans. The heavier tones have their own vibe but are at least as crushing as the Recto... and a lot more focused. If you don't like precise amps, don't get a Diezel!

The Herbert has a stunning clean too, along with the ability to cover all areas. It's not *just* a high gain monster, but it's high gain does KO practically all other amps out there. I'd grab a Herbert if I was a full time pro, personally, but that's as a 'heavy' player.

On the other hand my Einstein isn't going anywhere. Love the thing. :rock:
 
oceantracks":3tfvtcig said:
I do strictly recording session work and need an amp that can work in many styles.

I am usually doing pop/rock work, which translates into usually several tracks of chimey clean Strats or Teles up high, while a Les Paul or ESP handles the heavy low chords, distorted, underneath. This is very typical of pop today. So I need to go from very Vox like cleans to some pretty heavy Marshall style distortion, think JCM800 here.

I recently asked a fellow session guy for suggestions on heads, and he mentioned the Bogner Ecstasy. I checked out some clips online and was not that overly impressed. A little buzzy to me. Through following various threads, I discovered the Diesel site, and many posts raving about the The Einstein for just the kind of thing I'm talking about.

I have a 4*12 Hiwatt cab with Fanes in it right now, and wonder what you guys think of the match between the Einstein 100 head (yes I know I'm recording and don't need that much power but I always find more power=more tone even at low volumes). The Beatles used Vox AC100 amps in the studio at times just on clean things, and they sounded great.

The clips I heard online of the Einstein were killer. I wish I could hear more of the bridge pickup on a Les Paul through the clean and distorted channels but I think I got enough of an idea to hear that his was clearly the best amp I've heard based on clips alone. Better than the Badcats and all the other boutique amps I listened to online.

Comments? Especially on the versatility of the Einstein?

Thanks
Tom
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Stay FAR away from the Einstein if you're looking for Marshall type gain. Nothing could be further man, Einsteins are S-T-I-F-F and compressed but in a good way, you won't get away with sloppy playing. The Einstein can do cleans beautifully but it's not doing Marshall anything. It has it's own thing almost like a killer MKIV with thick mids and a little scooped tone as well. You have to play one, they have lots of balls and are thick as hell and sound perfect for smooth leads. I love my Einstein but when I want Marshall tone I have to turn it off and play my Plexi because there's no Marshall anything to be found on my Einstein.

Keep in mind there's alot of bias in any site that's named after a certain product and you'll have a ton of people saying it'll do breakfast in the morning and give you ALL the tones you want but the reality is you have to play one to see for yourself and there's only 2 things Diezels do exellent, cleans and Diezel high-gain. So it's a sound you're going to find in Diezel only.. but at least you're getting non bias, honest input here. The Ecstasy is cool as hell but to me those bogner cabs are horrendous and sorry to say, so are the Diezels. That bass heavy tone crap has no business on guitar tone because of what the guitar is and I played an Ecstasy thru a Bogner cab and almost threw up. I don't get it. :confused: If you want bass then go play a damn bass. :gethim:

Playing both Einstein and Ecstasy thru celestion greenbacks was really how it should be and it's hard to stop playing both but if you want closer to Marshall keep in mind that the Ecstasy has a "Plexi" mode and more sag like a Marshall but still not the real thing. I like them both but the Einstein is my baby :rock:

One more thing I wanted to add..really CONCIDER the type of music these people play (the ones pushing this or that amp for "your" style) you can't have a 16 year old playing bubblegum low E adventure for the whole song and then take his advice on the amp you should play. You have to listen to those that play the same thing you play. If I listen to half the things most play here..I'd have to kill myself after so it wouldn't make much sense to ask for their opinions on an amp. Or even me, I like good music and those that play the guitar not look at it or pose with it. I like the greatest of tones that ever existed on the instrument. Eric Johnson, SRV, Malmsteen, VH, etc so I would recommend amps accordingly and that would rule out ANY 3 or 4 channel amp or any bass heavy cabs.
 
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