New Power Tube Recomendation for Einstein (Not KT77-issues)

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What is the latest from Herr Diezel? I changed to JJ KT77's as he suggested a while back and while I liked the sound first I had 2 red plate within 3 weeks and now one of the last two has done the same. The dealer I am dealing with (Doug's Tubes) has offered to replace all 4 for me with my choice of EL34's becuase he has had this problem with almost every set of KT77's and has stopped selling them for this very reason (He does not think highly of JJ period it seems). I asked him what he would suggest and he said Ruby EL34B STR. Has Peter made a new recomendation? Any suggestions from those who have tried several brands etc? I like a more classic sound with big bottom but complex mids and sweet high end. Thanks
 
Really, 6550's for an Einstein? Won't that take away some of the old school charm i.e some of the marshallness of this amp? Plus they are considerably more expensive here, like 1 1/2 to 2 times the price of an EL34. What will they do to the tone? Thanks
 
I like the Ruby's in my Herbert and VH4. SED el34s are great too.
 
They are quite organic sounding. The biggest change I heard was the lack of high end fizz.
Very neutral, warm and durable. As for the price, you won't complain about the price of peanut butter
when you are eating a jelly sandwich. The SED 6550 will meet your tonal description easily.
 
mhenson42":ktd7uaar said:
I like the Ruby's in my Herbert and VH4. SED el34s are great too.

I just played a new Herbert for a few hours with the SED 6550's. Unbelievable, period.
Loud, smooth, tight, Über punchy....
 
If I had to choose a EL34, what would you guy say: Ruby EL34B STR, Ruby winged "C" EL34, SED EL34 (does not say winged C), or if anyone has had a chance to check out the new Ruby EL34BHT (they recommend these for Bogners etc) or something else? Doug is suggesting Ruby EL34B STR becuase they were original equipment at one time in the Einstein. Thoughts? I kind of don't want to lose the EL34 snarl that I love so much. maybe next time I'll try 6550's not sure. Thanks
 
I think Doug is trying to make the most money by selling the EL34BSTR. The Ruby price is $ 13.15 and I think they are a good sounding, but unreliable tube.
If you cant swing the extra $ 32.00 for your $ 3400 amp, I would go with the SED EL34.
 
It's not really a cost issue, concerned about the tone more. For what it's worth Doug is giving me ful credit for the KT77's towards whatever I want so I'm just trying to not go thru this hassle again. Will the 6550 sound sugnificantly different than the EL34? I remember long ago that all american Marshalls came with 6550's and that was said why they didn't sound as good as the Euro marshalls which used EL34's...If I go EL34 I understand the SED is the way to go.
 
If you want more "Hair", the SED EL34 will provide it. It's got a more biting tone than the 6550.
With the 6550, if you want more hair you just raise the Treble or Presence. For me, it seems to
make the amp neutral and allows you to use the EQ to dial in, not dial out tones.
 
hey
i have tried about 800 different tubes. I have had nothing but great luck with the SED Winged C Tubes. They never let me down...whether 6550, EL34 & even the 6L6. I must agree w. Mark2C...the 6550 is more neutral...but cleaner & more headroom. It wakes the amp up IMO. the EL34 is nice...if thats the tone u like. I used to run EL34s & 6L6s in my herbie. I liked it...but the 6550 took it to another level. & BTW..i never have had any issues w/ the JJKT77s. I know people knock them alot..but i have used them in several amps & had nothing but good luck. If u like the 77 tone..check out the Genalex's. they are alot more $$ wise but super dooper reliable..and great tone too!! Good luck in your quest!!
:rock:
 
Thanks for this info, Gents. I'm definitely grabbing the Winged C 6550s when mine go. Sounds like the perfect match. Wonder how these would sound in my Marshall combo? Hmmmm.......
 
The best JCM 800 I ever owned had 6550s in it. It was my first real amp and when I listen back to old recordings from the late '80s early '90s made with that amp, I long for that tone. I will eventually put them in my Einstein that is currently in transit :rock: :rock: :rock:

I had some KT77s in a Splawn and I thought they sounded great; never had a problem with them. It's unfortunate that they have a rep for be unreliable since they are a perfect marriage between an el34 and a 6550 (killer bottom end with that el34 crunch). Hey, maybe I'll try those too :lol: :LOL:
 
3 out of 4 bad KT77's tells you they have a problem, even Peter was recomending them for a while until he found out they were poor quality. I think what I may do have him send a set of SED winged C EL34's for now since he has to replace the KT's but also buy a set of 6550's and see what I like better. The other choice I have a I own a bunch of NOS Mullard EL34's but I have no way to match them up into sets and I'm leery of wasting them for everyday noodling. No one really seems to be able to tell me how in what way the 6550's will sound different including Doug at Doug's tubes. he does say they are quite a bit different from an EL34 sound wise but no real specifics.
 
Maybe you should re-read this thread. I don't know anymore terms to describe a tube.
Maybe you want someone to make a frequency analysis at ten different bias settings through
twelve different speakers with twenty guitars.
 
Tone is very subjective Mark2C and I don't want to lose that EL34 mids, especially in an Einstein which is a very heavy mid amp. I would ask you this, how many world class guitar amps use 6550's for their power stage? Not many I'm aware of and I've been a semi pro musician for almost 25 years. It's usually EL34 or 6L6 in all of the coveted classics. Seems to me even Herr Diezel is chooosing this tube due to poor performance and reliability issues of the other choices, not because he loves the sound otherwise it would have been the stock tube the amp ships with in the first place and his first choice as a replacement, not his third. Most amps and their transformers are also optimized for a particular tube type and while others can be biased to work, how well they work is another story. This amp was designed around EL34's and their tone. My understanding of 6550's are they are very even as you stated but carry an almost solid state wide band tone to them, that's why they are used in many high end tube power amps for home audio. I could see someone playing metal thru a Herbert liking this but I like the british/german elements of my Einstein very much and love the more old school traditional sound so that's why at least for now I'm going to stick to EL34's. Thank you for all of your efforts to explain the 6550 (I mispoke when I said no one could tell me the change to expect but really no one here seems to have done this w/an Einstein either and no one spoke to the critical mid range or lack of snarl (for lack of a better word) that a EL34 provides in spades. I'm sure I will eventually try some 6550's and if by chance someone else does put them in an Einstein please report your specific findings. Thanks to all.
 
RG955TT":13dyn2yr said:
Tone is very subjective Mark2C and I don't want to lose that EL34 mids, especially in an Einstein which is a very heavy mid amp. I would ask you this, how many world class guitar amps use 6550's for their power stage? Not many I'm aware of and I've been a semi pro musician for almost 25 years. It's usually EL34 or 6L6 in all of the coveted classics.

I don't think the Einstein is particularly mid-heavy. My Egnater Tourmaster has a lot more midrange. I'd say the Einstein is more mid-scooped really, I noticed that when I tried 6L6GCs in mine the cleans were improved but it lost that midrange that is so nice for distortion, especially leads.

Very often the tubes in an amp are not chosen necessarily because of their tone but because they are available, reliable and especially the right price. It's sort of like how tons of guitars use the tune-o-matic bridge, even though there are many far superior designs available.
 
I just received my 2007 Einstein(I think this could quite possibly be the last amp I buy...except maybe a Herbert) and its loaded with TAD EL34b's biased at 63mA(Thanks Will :rock: ) and they sound great. I would try to find some quality EL34b's if you can.
 
I have an Einstein, and if you read the manual they actually speak very highly of 6550's sound. The reason they never shipped with them until now is mostly a reliability / price thing. El34's used to be more reliable and just sound "different". That doesn't mean it's better. Now they're having trouble with reliability, so it's actually cheaper for Diezel to ship the more expensive tubes due to less replacements. Amp suppliers have to pick the best sounding/ most available/ most reliable tube at the time. You can't ship a tube you can't get many of or one that breaks on all your customers even if it's the best sounding tube in the world. It takes time to refine things and select the best tube out there. Personally I'm running SED EL34's. I just got my amp about a month ago (used) with brand new tubes so I haven't had a chance to check the 6550's out. I fully intend on ordering some once my bank account recovers from my recent GAS purchases. :)
 
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