Para EQ w/ Friedman BE OD?

[Rock Bodom]

Anybody successfully running a parametric EQ in the chain after a Friedman BE OD pedal to boost the mids? I’ve tried a couple of graphic eq’s, and mid knob on my amp...still feel like I could get better results.

Debating buying a para EQ pedal to try this with, versus just waiting for the new version of the Friedman that will have that mid control.

 

[napalmdeath]

Anybody successfully running a parametric EQ in the chain after a Friedman BE OD pedal to boost the mids? I’ve tried a couple of graphic eq’s, and mid knob on my amp...still feel like I could get better results.

Debating buying a para EQ pedal to try this with, versus just waiting for the new version of the Friedman that will have that mid control.

MXR 10-band in the loop. Problem solved.

 

[Rock Bodom]

MXR 10-band in the loop. Problem solved.

Yeah man, I agree, usually my MXR 10 band is my go to for everything!!

I tried it after this pedal (never felt the need for an eq in the loop of my actual BE-100), and for once didn’t quite get the magic. There’s some “bite” to the mids I’m slightly struggling with. It actually sounds really good as is, this is just totally a fine tuning thing, feel like it’s almost there.

 

[shred-o-holic]

Yes you can us a PQ to do that and yes a graphic as well. I used a parametric pedal that I demoed and it worked at the time

 

[ultimatemetalguitartones]

If I were you, I'd to find a Rane PE 15

 

[paulyc]

If I were you, I'd to find a Rane PE 15

+1, but I'd run it before the OD...

 

[Rock Bodom]

Thanks guys...based on your input, here's some extra context of what I've found is working so far...

With the Friedman OD, I actually do also run an OD1 (old 14 chip) in front of it already, not for any extra gain but I usually always run this or an SD1 in front of everything just to get the low end perfectly tightened up and a little extra tone coloring. The Friedman seems to like this stacking (more than with my SD1, Xotic BB+, a couple others I tried), so the "formula" is getting close.

I tried both my MXR 10 band and Maxon 6 band afterwards...usually between one of them I can get the job done, but neither seems to quite add what I'm looking for...that's why I started to question if it might be more of a parametric eq type situation.

Pauly, you mentioned the Rane out front, I was thinking along these lines as well...I already tried running my Boss Spectrum in front of that as well which is a simplified para eq type effect (I pair this with my SD1 at times for great results, the Spectrum just give a little extra mid notch sweetness)...I'm not quite getting there. But the Rane could be a completely different story.

Was kind of hoping for a pedal solution since this is a pure backup/test pedalboard (though my rack project is coming up soon, so I still have use for rack stuff)...was researching stuff like the Wampler EQuator, there's an inexpensive Artec pedal, the Empress intimidates me a little.

But now I'm kinda also curious...how does the Rane stack up to the old Furman PQ-3?

 

[Rock Bodom]

Yes you can us a PQ to do that and yes a graphic as well. I used a parametric pedal that I demoed and it worked at the time

Which parametric pedal did you use?

 

[paulyc]

Try a Boss, PQ4, the Ibanez 9 series parametric pedal (blue), or PEARL made one back in the day. That 800HZ sharp spike in the midrange does Ratt Out of the Cellar or Dokken Tooth and Nail all day long.

The Rane is every bit as good as a PQ-3,4, or 6.

 

[shred-o-holic]

Yes you can us a PQ to do that and yes a graphic as well. I used a parametric pedal that I demoed and it worked at the time

Which parametric pedal did you use?

Things are blocked at my work. Did the image show the pedal? It's the WMD Parametric Utility pedal. It worked well after the pedal in the chain.

 

[Rock Bodom]

That 800HZ sharp spike in the midrange does Ratt Out of the Cellar or Dokken Tooth and Nail all day long.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I'm aiming for! The Boss PQ4 was on my radar, but not the other 2...I gotta go scavenge one of these.

And speaking of that 800HZ spike...you made me think of the BF-2 "Le Tekro trick", going to try it this evening just for fun and see what it does in this situation.

Now that I think of it...not para eq, but I missed trying one other really obvious combination...running the MXR 10 band in front (mine is pretty quiet actually, the Maxon is noticeably noisier).

Appreciate you and sotosprince calling out the Rane too...I want to look into this for pushing one of my Marshalls.

Things are blocked at my work. Did the image show the pedal? It's the WMD Parametric Utility pedal. It worked well after the pedal in the chain.

Just took a look at this...I really like the layout of this, very simple/intuitive looking, and this is one I could score quickly to get something on the board while I'm on the hunt for some of the older gear. Thanks!!

 

[ultimatemetalguitartones]

That 800HZ sharp spike in the midrange does Ratt Out of the Cellar or Dokken Tooth and Nail all day long.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I'm aiming for! The Boss PQ4 was on my radar, but not the other 2...I gotta go scavenge one of these.

And speaking of that 800HZ spike...you made me think of the BF-2 "Le Tekro trick", going to try it this evening just for fun and see what it does in this situation.

Now that I think of it...not para eq, but I missed trying one other really obvious combination...running the MXR 10 band in front (mine is pretty quiet actually, the Maxon is noticeably noisier).

Appreciate you and sotosprince calling out the Rane too...I want to look into this for pushing one of my Marshalls.

Things are blocked at my work. Did the image show the pedal? It's the WMD Parametric Utility pedal. It worked well after the pedal in the chain.

Just took a look at this...I really like the layout of this, very simple/intuitive looking, and this is one I could score quickly to get something on the board while I'm on the hunt for some of the older gear. Thanks!!

Cheers dude, anytime! It was really handy when I used to record my mesa quad - mark III using my isolation cabinet. Really useful when you want to cut - boost specific frequencies due to the various mic eq characteristics. For example..
" Metallica - MOP and AJFA recording sessions James did put that PEQ in Boogie effect loop ,cutting and boosting extreme hard that Mark IIC+ amp. Some users like use PEQ in the loop or front input or both ways ,its always taste question. Example Dimebag Darrell did use PEQ different way than Hetfield ,he was run PEQ first in chain with another EQ which was GEQ. James used those old ones here https://reverb.com/item/2138179-aphex-e ... ransformer
Where you put the EQ has a big impact on the sound. If you put it before the amp it is more subtle since the preamp adds its own equalization. Putting it after the amp will allow the EQ to have more impact on the sound

 

[paulyc]

That 800HZ sharp spike in the midrange does Ratt Out of the Cellar or Dokken Tooth and Nail all day long.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I'm aiming for! The Boss PQ4 was on my radar, but not the other 2...I gotta go scavenge one of these.

And speaking of that 800HZ spike...you made me think of the BF-2 "Le Tekro trick", going to try it this evening just for fun and see what it does in this situation.

Now that I think of it...not para eq, but I missed trying one other really obvious combination...running the MXR 10 band in front (mine is pretty quiet actually, the Maxon is noticeably noisier).

Appreciate you and sotosprince calling out the Rane too...I want to look into this for pushing one of my Marshalls.

Things are blocked at my work. Did the image show the pedal? It's the WMD Parametric Utility pedal. It worked well after the pedal in the chain.

Just took a look at this...I really like the layout of this, very simple/intuitive looking, and this is one I could score quickly to get something on the board while I'm on the hunt for some of the older gear. Thanks!!

The Rane is good, the Furman, Audio Arts, Loft, tc Electronics all make rack mount EQs that will get you that 80s LA metal sound.

 

[Rock Bodom]

Thanks guys...all this input is definitely helpful!

Now the embarrassing part...I just tried my MXR 10 band in front...VERY effective, those upper mids are singing better now. I found I still need the OD1 as well to tighten the low end, so I’m running MXR EQ->OD1->Friedman OD. They all play nicely together...did not want to lose the clarity and basic character of the Friedman.

Same game plan to check out all of the parametric eq suggestions though, I want to learn how to use these along the lines of the advice you guys were giving...and see if I can fine tune things even more of course!

 

[paulyc]

The parametric can be more effective than a graphic because graphic EQs don’t have adjustable Q (bandwidth), which makes it impossible to tune how sharp the boosted or cut spike or notch is. You end up boosting more of the signal on a graphic than you would with a parametric, which is also sort of a problem with a pedal version also, there just isn’t room on a typical small format pedal for all the controls needed to implement all the functions needed to make it truly effective, the rack mount is usually best, but the pedals aren’t a ton of money so try one and see if it works for you.

 

[shred-o-holic]

https://www.facebook.com/jameskellyims/videos/vb.1508287797/10207076040128583/?type=3
Does this link work? That’s me with the BE OD and the WMD parametric. Probably way too much gain lol

 

[Rock Bodom]

The parametric can be more effective than a graphic because graphic EQs don’t have adjustable Q (bandwidth), which makes it impossible to tune how sharp the boosted or cut spike or notch is. You end up boosting more of the signal on a graphic than you would with a parametric, which is also sort of a problem with a pedal version also, there just isn’t room on a typical small format pedal for all the controls needed to implement all the functions needed to make it truly effective, the rack mount is usually best, but the pedals aren’t a ton of money so try one and see if it works for you.

For the rack versions that were mentioned, is there any problem with the signal being too hot going in front of the pedal chain, or will that work ok?

 

[Rock Bodom]

https://www.facebook.com/jameskellyims/videos/vb.1508287797/10207076040128583/?type=3
Does this link work? That’s me with the BE OD and the WMD parametric. Probably way too much gain lol

Yes, the link worked for me! Oh man, that sounded seriously excellent to me, this is a great clip. Awesome playing too

 

[maddnotez]

Im curious about the new Airis Effects para eq.

Anything is worth a try imo but for me the Empress specifically was very powerful but seemed like it was way too much.

If you just have something in the mids you want done that Airis looks like it would be simple and effective.

 

[shred-o-holic]

https://www.facebook.com/jameskellyims/videos/vb.1508287797/10207076040128583/?type=3
Does this link work? That’s me with the BE OD and the WMD parametric. Probably way too much gain lol

Yes, the link worked for me! Oh man, that sounded seriously excellent to me, this is a great clip. Awesome playing too

Oh cool man glad you liked it. Figured you could hear the eq (which I didn’t keep lol) I don’t even have the BE OD either lol but it’s a great pedal