Please Help... with Direct Out on Rebel 30 head

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Hi,

I recently bought an Egnater Tweaker 15 combo and I love it. But I wanted reverb, two channels, and a direct out (for both recording and for playing at "bedroom" volume). So I bought a Rebel 30 head yesterday.

In short, my guitar sounded "not good" through the Direct Out it into a nice QSC K12 powered speaker via XLR as "line" in. The sound was all mid-range... and not in a good way, regardless of how you tweaked the amps knobs.

Why?

Any help would be seriously appreciated. Right now I feel like I was misled on how this Direct Out is supposed to sound.

Thanks!

Steve

P.S. It is not the powered speaker... I went straight to the QSC using the guitar's piezo pickup (skipping the Egnater). The piezo had huge lows and super highs. So no problems with the speaker. Heck, that huge dynamic range from the piezo only made the Egnater seem much worse. I do love the Egnater amp's sound... I just wanted the ability to capture that for recording and to play it through a PA. Pleas help! Thanks!
 
mine sounds great direct, I just bump the mids and treble a hair. Some of the early rebels had a bad or missing resistor causing distortion or low output-do a search on this forum or contact Alex at eggie.
 
Does it sound bad right away or only after amp has been on for more than 15-30 minutes? Please try the direct out within a few minutes of turning the amp on and report back. FYI, it does sound very good normally. I assume there is something wrong with yours?
 
Bruce, congrats on creating such great amps for the money.

Thank you.

Sincerely.

I am happy.

I do have this one nagging question though... I would like to get to the bottom of the Silent Record / Direct Out question. The ability to record an Egnater at "bedroom" volumes (and play it at bedroom volumes) was the primary purpose for buying this Rebel 30 head.

The sound clips of the Silent Record on the Egnater website sound great. I was hoping for a similar sound out of my very good gear (an expensive new PRS P22 guitar, into a new Egnater Rebel 30 head, into a new QSC K12 powered speaker).

Instead, right away, it sounds like all the low-frequency EQ has been taken out, and there's no way to tweak that back in. Also, the very high-frequency EQ is gone as well. (Meanwhile CDs, for example, sound normal through the QSC.)

I can dial in a good sound with the head and an Egnater speaker (I'm actually running the Rebel 30 head into the Egnater Tweaker 15 Combo's speaker... The Tweaker combo's speaker wire was long enough to set the head on top of the combo and plug it into the speaker. I hope that's okay). But when I use the Silent Record feature, almost everything on the Rebel head has to be dramatically changed.

I guess the right thing to do is to record it direct using the sample settings shown on the Egnater Rebel's web page, and see:
1) if we get anything close to what the audio clips sound like, or
2) if it is what I hear coming through the QSC.

I can share my clips with you.

I don't know why it would be different than what I hear with the QSC. But we will find out...

Not sure what we'll find...

Thanks again,

Steve
 
maybe you have a bad cable or impedance mismatch, I get great tones direct. I run through a tascam digital recorder
 
It is a "combo" jack for input on the QSC powered speaker. I tried XLR-to-XLR. Then I tried an XLR-to-1/4 inch, thinking that somehow the QSC might be thinking it's a mic with the XLR. Same sound both ways.

I will try other things when I'm home from work today...

Thanks guys.

Steve
 
Okay, I made a couple MP3s and uploaded them to Microsoft's SkyDrive.

Some good news... the Silent Record actually recorded much better than it sounded on the QSC.

However, particularly on the overdrive channel, it still didn't sound as "bright" as the audio clips on the Egnater site here:
http://www.egnateramps.com/Products/Reb ... Clips.html

Listen to the Egnater Clip called "Rebel 30 Bed Line" on that site (That's "Bedroom Metal" settings).

I copied the amp settings from audio clips of the Egnater Rebel 30 on my amp.

Then I recorded a quick version of that clip on my Egnater, using a Paul Reed Smith P22 on the bridge pickup, volume on 10, tone knob on 10, with the EL84.

My recorded sound wasn't near as "bright" as the sound on the Egnater clip.

How can I get back that "brightness"? Is there some post-production on that clip at Egnater? Some DAW graphic EQ or something? Is something wrong with my Silent Record?

Here's my SkyDrive, with two clips
"Bedroom Metal" and "Classic Rock"

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=2c2c2e58 ... AA64%21126

"Classic Rock" from the clean channel, actually sounds pretty close to the Egnater clip.

But "Bedroom Metal" from the "drive" channel, sounds "deader" than the "bright" Egnater clip. And I can't tweak any knobs to get more "life" into it.

(My apologies in advance for the guitar playing on the mp3s... no point in being perfect, we're just checking sounds here.)

How can I bring the brightness back on the overdrive channel? Is something wrong with my Silent Record out on my "drive" channel? Or do I need to go back in later with some EQ?

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance,

Steve
 
It seems theres limiters on preamps and powered monitors,if the signal is too high it trys to squeeze down the signal incomming,the result is the waveform is flattened top to bottom,highs and lows are clipped off and only the middle is left comming thru.
Not a good sound at all.
Cut the signal down and your good i believe.
 
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