Randall Mic Eliminators?

[broknstuff]

Anyone have any experience with them? Where these designed by randall or by the bruce and jeff?

Can they be purchased separately? I'm hesitant of D.I.s, but they may make it easier to jot down demos or record our practices.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Bruce designed it for Randall. It really does sound great. Ty Tabor uses them and the mix at the board is flat and consistent every night and the sound guy loves it cause guitars are done in like 30 seconds. Doesn't change his tone on stage cause he is hearing the cabinets. We had 2 Egnater endorsees from Detroit at the show and the both shit over his tone in the PA and said I need what he has!
We can get the Randall unit and put it in a seperate box like we did for Ty and it doesn't have to go in a cabinet.
We also are going to make one that is a bit different and have it be an Egg..but when it will be available is the tuff one!

 

[jlbaxe]

they are well built and have the clips on the end of the red and black wire to plug on to the speaker. No soldering needed. mono or stereo and bright mid dark switch for each jack (mono/stereo) has XLR out jacks for the board or recording. they are awesome and cant wait to get them in my cabs.

 

[broknstuff]

Yet more GAS! I'm definitely going to hit you up jeff after I recoup from the m4/switchers/cable spending to get one from you. Are they meant to emulate a cab with v30 I guess right? If they sound as great as it seems this will be perfect for recording practices and for live set up. I'm all about streamlining that and getting in and out as efficiently as possible.

You could use this, along with a load box, for silent practices too right? Take the feed off the mic eliminator and pad it down to feed headphones? Maybe place a little reverb in between to get the "room" sound from headphones..man that'd be great late at night (or for those in apartments).

More importantly, whenever you come out with an egnater version, I know I'm going to be all over it. I should change my signature to "dear bruce and jeff: you make it, I'll buy it".

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Yet more GAS! I'm definitely going to hit you up jeff after I recoup from the m4/switchers/cable spending to get one from you. Are they meant to emulate a cab with v30 I guess right? If they sound as great as it seems this will be perfect for recording practices and for live set up. I'm all about streamlining that and getting in and out as efficiently as possible.

You could use this, along with a load box, for silent practices too right? Take the feed off the mic eliminator and pad it down to feed headphones? Maybe place a little reverb in between to get the "room" sound from headphones..man that'd be great late at night (or for those in apartments).

More importantly, whenever you come out with an egnater version, I know I'm going to be all over it. I should change my signature to "dear bruce and jeff: you make it, I'll buy it".

It was designed with mics in mind not speakers. Its a mic eliminator not a speaker eliminator. We did 57's,58's, Senhiser all of the good mics and took kinda the average of them and then did it bright , neutral and dark. You still have your stage volume with it. It just feeds your monitor and main board with a consistent and very usable signal. Does it sound just like the real deal 100% no but its damn close and I mean who wouldn't want there sound check to be done in 30 seconds and have no kick drum spill over or bass rig bottom bleeding into your mic!

 

[broknstuff]

Aaaah, okay, I gotcha. I'm just so use to thinking and seeing speaker eliminators my mind went on autopilot. Kind of dumb of me given the name doh!

Also, live micing is never 100% on either (unless you have an "amp clamp" so that your mic stand/holder is screwed onto your cab or case) so this seems like a cool alternative. Also, it'd still work for recording our practices, so I can use my cab for everyone to hear but have the signal from the mic eliminator going to the mixer into the computer/sound card. Our drummer was asking if there was an easy, hassle free way to do this, and it seems like this will be the answer!

 

[aeroic]

Yet more GAS! I'm definitely going to hit you up jeff after I recoup from the m4/switchers/cable spending to get one from you. Are they meant to emulate a cab with v30 I guess right? If they sound as great as it seems this will be perfect for recording practices and for live set up. I'm all about streamlining that and getting in and out as efficiently as possible.

You could use this, along with a load box, for silent practices too right? Take the feed off the mic eliminator and pad it down to feed headphones? Maybe place a little reverb in between to get the "room" sound from headphones..man that'd be great late at night (or for those in apartments).

More importantly, whenever you come out with an egnater version, I know I'm going to be all over it. I should change my signature to "dear bruce and jeff: you make it, I'll buy it".

It was designed with mics in mind not speakers. Its a mic eliminator not a speaker eliminator. We did 57's,58's, Senhiser all of the good mics and took kinda the average of them and then did it bright , neutral and dark. You still have your stage volume with it. It just feeds your monitor and main board with a consistent and very usable signal. Does it sound just like the real deal 100% no but its damn close and I mean who wouldn't want there sound check to be done in 30 seconds and have no kick drum spill over or bass rig bottom bleeding into your mic!

Jeff,

How does it "hook up" to a current rig? Is it something you put in between the power amp and speaker? Or is it something you can modify your cabinet to include as a jack plate?

I'm VERY interested .

Eric

 

[aeroic]

Yet more GAS! I'm definitely going to hit you up jeff after I recoup from the m4/switchers/cable spending to get one from you. Are they meant to emulate a cab with v30 I guess right? If they sound as great as it seems this will be perfect for recording practices and for live set up. I'm all about streamlining that and getting in and out as efficiently as possible.

You could use this, along with a load box, for silent practices too right? Take the feed off the mic eliminator and pad it down to feed headphones? Maybe place a little reverb in between to get the "room" sound from headphones..man that'd be great late at night (or for those in apartments).

More importantly, whenever you come out with an egnater version, I know I'm going to be all over it. I should change my signature to "dear bruce and jeff: you make it, I'll buy it".

It was designed with mics in mind not speakers. Its a mic eliminator not a speaker eliminator. We did 57's,58's, Senhiser all of the good mics and took kinda the average of them and then did it bright , neutral and dark. You still have your stage volume with it. It just feeds your monitor and main board with a consistent and very usable signal. Does it sound just like the real deal 100% no but its damn close and I mean who wouldn't want there sound check to be done in 30 seconds and have no kick drum spill over or bass rig bottom bleeding into your mic!

Since it isn't "micing" a speaker, what "speaker" is it emulating?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Ok it was done with a V30. So I stand corrected we used one speaker to get the multiple mics average. But its really just a filter. Its out of the power amp to the MI and then into your cab. 2 XLRs one to the main board and one to the monitor board.

 

[aeroic]

Ok it was done with a V30. So I stand corrected we used one speaker to get the multiple mics average. But its really just a filter. Its out of the power amp to the MI and then into your cab. 2 XLRs one to the main board and one to the monitor board.

I figured so . That's fine though. For live situations, I'm plenty fine with that. I'm gonna throw one of these in my cabs for sure!

Eric

 

[aeroic]

Ok it was done with a V30. So I stand corrected we used one speaker to get the multiple mics average. But its really just a filter. Its out of the power amp to the MI and then into your cab. 2 XLRs one to the main board and one to the monitor board.

I figured so . That's fine though. For live situations, I'm plenty fine with that. I'm gonna throw one of these in my cabs for sure!

Eric

OOOOh.. Had an interesting though. 2 Grendel Dead rooms...one w/ G12T75, one w/ CL80 w/ SM57 as a mic...wonder what it will sound like w/ a Mic Elimanator out.......oooh the posibilities .

Eric

 

[broknstuff]

Ok it was done with a V30. So I stand corrected we used one speaker to get the multiple mics average. But its really just a filter. Its out of the power amp to the MI and then into your cab. 2 XLRs one to the main board and one to the monitor board.

Cool, so then you can use this with a load box instead of a cabinet to get a silent recording?

 

[jlbaxe]

Ok it was done with a V30. So I stand corrected we used one speaker to get the multiple mics average. But its really just a filter. Its out of the power amp to the MI and then into your cab. 2 XLRs one to the main board and one to the monitor board.

I figured so . That's fine though. For live situations, I'm plenty fine with that. I'm gonna throw one of these in my cabs for sure!

Eric

OOOOh.. Had an interesting though. 2 Grendel Dead rooms...one w/ G12T75, one w/ CL80 w/ SM57 as a mic...wonder what it will sound like w/ a Mic Elimanator out.......oooh the posibilities .

Eric

from what i understand the deadrooms are quiet, right,with the speaker mic'd for recording? so using a dead room and the speaker of your choice would be better in a studio .the mic eliminator wouldn't be affected by your speakers (freq.),they just send a signal emulating a v30 mic'd to the board or recorder, so instead of trying to find that exact sweet spot when mic'ing on the cone or the bass ,singer other guitarist and drummer bleeding through or ur mic getting bumped and or delay ,depending how far your mic is from your speaker. with the mic elims and eq'ing on the board it should be really really close to your sound.and a + if you use v30s.

 

[EWSEthan]

Nick and I used the mic eliminator on the back of my RM20 to track overdubs to some songs we just finished up last night. He'll be posting links to them in a seperate thread once hes done designing a new brochure on mortgage rates or whatever her does at that credit union of his. Anyway, long story short is that I like it alot: it sounds great and is really convenient. You just blast your mix through speakers and play along. No headphones, no iso cab. Im sure it sounds exactly as good as our micd up tones, but Id be interested to see if anyone can guess which parts we did with the mic eliminator and which we did with the MOD 50 micd up!

 

[broknstuff]

Nick and I used the mic eliminator on the back of my RM20 to track overdubs to some songs we just finished up last night. He'll be posting links to them in a seperate thread once hes done designing a new brochure on mortgage rates or whatever her does at that credit union of his. Anyway, long story short is that I like it alot: it sounds great and is really convenient. You just blast your mix through speakers and play along. No headphones, no iso cab. Im sure it sounds exactly as good as our micd up tones, but Id be interested to see if anyone can guess which parts we did with the mic eliminator and which we did with the MOD 50 micd up!

oooh, that'd be interesting. After new years I'm ordering one..and then whenever egnater comes out with their version of it i'll jump on that too haha.

Just to clarify, you can send this to a load box instead of a cabinet and record silently then right?

 

[evink1]

The other guitarist in my band and myself have been using the mic eliminators in our Randall NXT cabinets for three years now and they flat smoke. We even have loaned out our entire gear three years running, for a 4 day summer festival. We supply the backline and P.A. for this festival. All the bands loved the tone from the Mic elim's. The Egnater crew has made these things to just flat work.

The live board never needs touched because our sound is consistant and we run the entire rig and P.A. in stereo. No feedback from our rigs because of open mics on stage. It just works and everyone here who said the sound is killer from the P.A. is not kidding.

If you gig out and want a quick hassle free consistant sound do yourselves a favor and order a set of mic elim's for your cabinets.

On a side note I have used these direct outs for filler tracks in the recording studio as well with just as wonderful results. Unless you know how to tell the breathiness of a recording that only a speaker moving air can create you would be hard pressed to tell direct and mic'ed tracks apart.