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I know this is my first post but trust me this isn't a troll post, etc.

I have had Diezels in the past , notably the VH4 and Herbert with matching cabs. However at the time I hadn't been exposed to other amps (only Marshalls and a few Mesa/Boogie models, and one Rivera), and wanting to try new things to see what I liked best, I turned the Diezels and ended up trying a few brands out.

That being sad, a few years down the road, being a little older and wiser, Id like to make a Diezel rig because I know that Ive heard what Ive truly liked now, and Id like to make something great. I know it probably looks and will come off as overkill, but I'd ultimately like to have the VH4(S), Herbert, and Einstein going simultaneously in a stereo rig. I know for sure that I'll have two 4x12s for the VH4(S) , one 4x12 for the Herbert, and 2 2x12's for the Einstein. I have decided for effects/ seperation on an older Eventide H3000 unit.

So here's my problem. Can I use the Diezel Columbus to control all of this at once? Im very new to stereo rigs and hooking this stuff up. I know Id like the VH4(S) to be wet on both sides, probably the Herbert dry in the middle, and the Einstein cabs on the outside left and right.

Can anyone help me out? I'm sorry if this all seems a little mushed together, details wise.
 
Let me think on this one for a bit....

For a quick response, you will need more gear then mentioned. I will get back to you.
 
and heaviest! literally..

on a serious note, while i love diezel and wave the banner higher than almost anyone, i would think having 3 amps that have a very similar voicing would not be so great together. i know from my experience in the studio that einstein and herbert are just too close to each other to make a desirable combination. for me personally i love herbert or einstein mixed with something really different in voicing like a splawn quickrod, 5153, soldano, or a od 100 from suhr basically anything thats not producing the same sounds as the diezel. if every amp is sitting in the same area tonally i end up dissapointed with results, i prefer amps that do different things that way they are esentially filling in the gaps that each amp might have. but i always have a diezel in the mix as the basic meat of the tone, then pick other amps to go with it as the side dish.

its just my thoughts though.

A Wood
 
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and heaviest! literally..

on a serious note, while i love diezel and wave the banner higher than almost anyone, i would think having 3 amps that have a very similar voicing would not be so great together. i know from my experience in the studio that einstein and herbert are just too close to each other to make a desirable combination. for me personally i love herbert or einstein mixed with something really different in voicing like a splawn quickrod, 5153, soldano, or a od 100 from suhr basically anything thats not producing the same sounds as the diezel. if every amp is sitting in the same area tonally i end up dissapointed with results, i prefer amps that do different things that way they are esentially filling in the gaps that each amp might have. but i always have a diezel in the mix as the basic meat of the tone, then pick other amps to go with it as the side dish.

its just my thoughts though.

A Wood
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I agree with this! This has always yeilded great textures in the studio from what I've experienced.
 
I use one Columbus to control my VH4 and herbert at the same time as well as a TC Electronic G-Force. The G-Force runs through the VH4 loop. To add an Einstien and/or make the G-force available for other heads, I think all that would be necessary in addition would be an external midi switcher like a DMC GCX or the RJM unit.
 
I have been thinking about this and it is a lot of work and a lot more gear needed to do it the right way. Is it possible? yes....

You need a switcher (GCX) and a Ground Control unit or something similar. Then you have to worry about loops and noise. Could get tricky based off what other gear is in the chain(s).
 
dude, just pick one of em, ONLY ONE, and turn it UP LOUD!! I'm sure it'll be sufficient
 
yeah I know, but I love simplicity, and I don't wanna fall in love with a Stereo rig so that I'll have to carry it to gigs. I prefer to play them one at a time.
 
you have my respect! i, and i know that for sure, could definitely NOT resist!
 
VH4 (wet) & Herbert (dry) mixed result in a terrific sound. Beautiful sparkling cleans, great crunch, awesome solos & more. I probably wouldn't add another Diezel to these 2, but these 2 would definitely be the first 2 amps on my list.

It all boils down 2 what music you play, how many/what variety of sounds/channels you need. Mixing 3 amps is a major pain in the ass, a lot of phase cancellations occur, some channels just don't sit together. You won't be able to tell what you are going to end up with, unless you try. You will have some of these problems when combining 2 amps too.

Where are you going to run this rig, if you don't mind me asking? If you are getting you rig miked then having 3 amps & 5 cabs running simultaneously doesn't make much sense.
 
Since when did any of this stuff ever make sense to any of us???.......LOL ;) :rock:
 
I can't wait to get all my extra junk sold and buy a VH4S. Stereo = awesome.
 
If you're just running this at home or in your rehearsal room, go ahead.
But otherwise, you will very quickly come to the conclusion that it just sucks lugging around so much stuff. And sound guys, band mates, other bands you share stages with and virtually everyone who is affected will just hate you for that rig.

I had a H&K Triamp mk II and a Laney GH100L running at the same time, in stereo. Controlled via MIDI. Worked out not so great, because the distorted sounds were phasing so much it didn't make any sense. Just the clean tones were awesome in stereo.
Everybody laughed at me when I showed up at gigs with that thing. And every other night I had to fight for stage space for all that stuff. At least for me, there are mostly small stages. And that's why I don't need 200 Watts of guitar amp power.
My Vox AC30 head I use now is still friggin' loud, and it only has 30 Watts.

Get a VH4s, that is all you need.

Once more, if you justplay music at a set place, go ahead and make Peter happy by buying so much stuff from him.

Cheers,

Jakob
 
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