REAMP pros in the house? Issue with reamp signal

[Kapo_Polenton]

So I picked up a radial DI box and PRO_RMP reamp box. Really happy with how quiet these guys are but running into what I think is a common problem. For whatever reason, the reamped track pumped through my distorted amp is coming out clean! I am assuming there is some sort of lack of signal going on here making me wonder whether or not I even need the reamp box if it's job is to knock DOWN the signal and keep it from being too hot into the amp. Anyone have any experience with anything similar? I am using an Audient ID14 and as per their instructions, am using one of the speaker outs as the feed for the reamp box. They are the "sends" on this unit. I just can't for the life of me figure out what is going on.

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm... I use the original reamp box, which has a signal level control and I just send the recorded DI track out of my DAW at unity into my converter and into the reamp box. I then adjust the signal level control on the reamp box until it "feels" just like plugging the same guitar into the amp feels (I just go back and forth between the guitar and the reamped track playing the same thing, plugged into the amp and get them exact). If I turned the signal level control on the Reamp box way down, it would be low volume and clean like you are experiencing. Does your reamp box have a signal level control?

Steve

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Yup, it has a level control and ground lift.. I think i will have to get a hold of a 8 pin out to XLR for the send on my ASP880 which connects to the ID14 and try with that. I doubt it would be any different though. Baffles me. The second time I try with reamping and failing miserably once again. I'm getting pushed over to speaker IR's I guess! Too bad because I prefer the real deal!

 

[fusedbrain]

Just looked at the manuals for your gear to try and figure out what's up.
Sounds like your sending the DI track from the recorded channel out the cue send and have the main speaker outputs assigned to the cue mix in the software mixer, correct?
If this is the case, the cue send on the channel will probably have to be cranked close to full with the cue balance all the way left ( if your using output 1 ), and the cue master cranked up to a high level as well. Also, it looks like the main speaker outs are balanced TRS, and the input of the Pro-RMP are balanced. Make sure your cable is wired correctly with a TRS plug and your not shorting pin 3 to ground.( this will cause large level loss )
Then there's the level trim on the Pro-RMP. is this all the way up or close to full up?

If all this is as it should be, you should be rocking. Not sure what else could be wrong.
Sorry I can't offer more help. Keep us posted how your making out.

 

[JakeAC5253]

There is a mod you can do to the RMP box that improves it greatly. I did it many years ago, forgot where to find it. Look it up, it's worth doing, just have to cut a thing or two I think.

EDIT: Also, you are running the Radial DI box with phantom power right? I believe that one runs on phantom power, and if it does, the transistors are not turning on, and the only output signal you are getting is leakage.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

There is a mod you can do to the RMP box that improves it greatly. I did it many years ago, forgot where to find it. Look it up, it's worth doing, just have to cut a thing or two I think.

EDIT: Also, you are running the Radial DI box with phantom power right? I believe that one runs on phantom power, and if it does, the transistors are not turning on, and the only output signal you are getting is leakage.

Not that I know of.. it is a passive design. This fella right here.

http://www.radialeng.com/prormp.php

 

[JakeAC5253]

There is a mod you can do to the RMP box that improves it greatly. I did it many years ago, forgot where to find it. Look it up, it's worth doing, just have to cut a thing or two I think.

EDIT: Also, you are running the Radial DI box with phantom power right? I believe that one runs on phantom power, and if it does, the transistors are not turning on, and the only output signal you are getting is leakage.

Not that I know of.. it is a passive design. This fella right here.

http://www.radialeng.com/prormp.php

That's the reamp box, same one I use, this is the one that has the mod you can do. I'm referring to the DI box (which you didn't specify which model) which has a good chance of being active since Radial's DI box that is most popular is active.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Just looked at the manuals for your gear to try and figure out what's up.
Sounds like your sending the DI track from the recorded channel out the cue send and have the main speaker outputs assigned to the cue mix in the software mixer, correct?
If this is the case, the cue send on the channel will probably have to be cranked close to full with the cue balance all the way left ( if your using output 1 ), and the cue master cranked up to a high level as well. Also, it looks like the main speaker outs are balanced TRS, and the input of the Pro-RMP are balanced. Make sure your cable is wired correctly with a TRS plug and your not shorting pin 3 to ground.( this will cause large level loss )
Then there's the level trim on the Pro-RMP. is this all the way up or close to full up?

If all this is as it should be, you should be rocking. Not sure what else could be wrong.
Sorry I can't offer more help. Keep us posted how your making out.

Yes, essentially solo'ing the DI track so that is all that comes out of L/R speaker then using one of the speaker 1/4 inch jacks (which are balanced) to send to the reamp box. From there it is 1/4 inch into the amp. I also did pan it all the way L to that one speaker in the ID14's interface and in the DAW. I crank the master on the ID14 and it squeals and the level on the reamp box is also almost full up before it squeals. Even playing with the ground switch does nothing.. just more hiss.

 

[fusedbrain]

The squeal thing is odd. You're not sending the mic input from what is supposed to be the re-amped guitar amp to the cue mix are you??

The other thing I'm wondering, if you forget about re-ampng for a minute, and set up a pair of speakers from the main outs like you would while doing a mix, how is the level of the DI guitar you recorded vs the rest of the mix? If that's OK, now switch the main outs to the cue mix buss and assign the DI guitar to the cue mix and see if you can get the same output level out of the speakers with the DI track as you had when the main outs were assigned to the mix buss.
If that's OK, then now we now the issue is in the re-amp signal chain between the Audient unit and the guitar amp. Gotta try to narrow down where in the signal chain this is going wrong.

 

[Anonymous]

Yup, it has a level control and ground lift.. I think i will have to get a hold of a 8 pin out to XLR for the send on my ASP880 which connects to the ID14 and try with that. I doubt it would be any different though. Baffles me. The second time I try with reamping and failing miserably once again. I'm getting pushed over to speaker IR's I guess! Too bad because I prefer the real deal!

If you crank the level, it's still too low and just clean from the amp? Any possibility that the fader is down on the DI track and the send is post-fader?

Steve

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Ok I got it! Everything started sounding weird so I started from scratch and a fresh DI and then through exhaustive googling I got lucky on an Audient customer support reply in a forum and saw that in their mixer software, I had to select DAW thru and presto... sound. Going to A/B with the amp in real time tomorrow and find the right level.Thanks for the help fellas.

 

[Anonymous]

Ok I got it! Everything started sounding weird so I started from scratch and a fresh DI and then through exhaustive googling I got lucky on an Audient customer support reply in a forum and saw that in their mixer software, I had to select DAW thru and presto... sound. Going to A/B with the amp in real time tomorrow and find the right level.Thanks for the help fellas.

Steve

 

[fusedbrain]

Nice