Renegade Power

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Hey guys,

question .. I am finally practicing with a band with my 1x12 Renegade and am pushing it pretty hard (we practice loud!) I have the channel volumes about 3/4 and the MAINS about 3/4 .. just wanted to know if anyone pushed the amp this hard yet.

Should I increase the channels and make the overall lower or increase the main and lower the channels?
Am i correct when i say the MAIN VOLUME controls the biger tubes and the CHANNEL VOLUMES control the little tubes?

Also, I jave a Marshall 2x12 I am going to try with it to take some stress off the one speaker.

Thoughts?
 
I think it would depend on whether you want power tube saturation or not. Changing things will change the tone.
 
Assuming it's anything like the MOD-50, the channel masters are just a level control after the preamp, but before the effects loop. The main volume is applied after the effects loop and before the phase inverter. Some amps have a PPIMV (Post phase-inverter master volume) that controls the level between the phase inverter and the power stage. This allows the phase inverter tubes to join in the distortion/overdrive tonal equation.

No matter how you cut it, the power tubes will only add to the distortion when they are driven beyond a certain volume. This volume is independent of where in the chain it is created. ie. there is no 'power tube volume' as such - unless you're talking about power scaling (but that is more of a 'tube breakup' control than a volume control).
 
so is it alway better to run it through more speakers to alleviate the power going to the 1 main speaker? Im just afraid of blowing it or something.
 
dieselmx":jn48u0ad said:
so is it alway better to run it through more speakers to alleviate the power going to the 1 main speaker? Im just afraid of blowing it or something.
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The 'stress' on the speaker won't be an issue if the speaker is rated correctly. Also, if you have a 2x12 with 25 Watt greenbacks or similar, then the power rating will actually be lower than a properly rated single speaker like an 80 Watt CL-80.
 
I think i fixed the problem ....
I have a Renegade 1x12 and had a problem recently with volume ... The renegade didnt seem loud enough for band practice. I had to crank it almost 75% to get it to hold up with the other guitarist and we werent even practicing that loud .. I figured 65W all tube amp should be killing it in volume.

I was on Main 1 when It seemed to lacking the volume, when I switched it to main 2 (the boost?) it was crazy loud. It went from being on almost 75% on MAIN 1 to about 10% on main 2 and main 2 was still louder.

I know MAIN 2 is a boost but didnt know it would be night and day boost. I figured just a little bit.
It sounds so good now though .. man am i happy. Curious to hear your thoughts.

Is this what MAIN 2 is used for? I wont blow anything by "always" using main 2, will i?
 
Man, you must rehearse loud! My main 1 never goes past 10 o'clock, even on the gig...But, every situation is different, and one person's loud, is another's quiet...

I have noticed a similar thing with the boost main 2. It seems so much louder. You would think that when the main 1 and main 2 are set the same, the volume should be identical. No way though. Main 2 is so much louder...strange...
 
I have noticed a similar thing with the boost main 2. It seems so much louder. You would think that when the main 1 and main 2 are set the same, the volume should be identical. No way though. Main 2 is so much louder...strange...
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Like i said in Diesel's other thread about Main1><Main2,it's quite logical.Main2's level volume starts at Main1's setting.Like the "solo" function on the M&B's.So,Main2 will always be louder than Main1,except when Main1 is on Max,then they're equal.
 
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