Renegade with Hot Plate Question

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Can you run without any major problems an 8 Ohms THD Hot Plate with a Renegade 1x12" 16ohms speaker ?
(of course putting 8ohms selector on amp)

As far with full load no problems, but running it with the speaker ???

Thank you for your response
 
It should be safe, but that will be a question best answered by THD, since the impedance will be a little off. If you send them an e-mail, they are good with getting back to questions from customers. They will have the best info on this topic though.
 
gonogotoday":338ikb62 said:
Can you run without any major problems an 8 Ohms THD Hot Plate with a Renegade 1x12" 16ohms speaker ?
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Just curious, what are you hoping to gain from this?

I think these amps convey a good sound at low volumes with a rich MV. In my experience, attenuators don't make much of a difference (if any) when used with a good MV amp. If you want more saturation than the amp offers, then trade your Hot Plate for a good distortion pedal.
 
gonogotoday":1makypju said:
Give me a break
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I think it's a fair question. In my experience, I don't think there's any conceivable benefit to using a Hot Plate with the amp -- but I'm open to the possibility that you have something new to share.

So I'm curious... what do you hope to gain by using an attenuator with this amp?
 
If you have an attenuator sitting around, I'm pretty sure you want to try it and see what it does.

But I'm with Ron. I've never liked attenuators with a good MV amp.
 
We all have our little things that we want to do, I just want leave it pluged in for slient recording (load) at night, and use it bypass in the day time, without having to unplug and re plug and so on.
At lo volume signal to ratio is not very good trought the XLR (out of the amp), you have to have a good volume.
Going out of the XLR to a console throught different FX's to another amp and so on..................

THD says their is no problem
Egnater says nogo, must be a 16ohms Hot Plate, but it can work out as a load only at 8ohms

My Renegade blew up 8 weeks ago, still in service, maybe it had nothing to do with that,who knows, still waiting for it,i have a loan now until I get mine.
That's why I am asking, maybe somebody had same experience as I did.
 
To anybody thinking about attenuators with the Renegade......

Over the weekend I've had a THD Hotplate and a Dr Z Airbrake on loan and have come to the conclusion that it's a good job I didn't buy one of them. I was expecting awesomeness and what I got was, well nothing, nothing that blow my socks off and nothing that gave a big loud guitar sound at low volume. Of the two I thought the Airbrake gave the best sound but still I could get a better tone by lifting the gain and lowering the volume on the pre amp and leaving the master where it was. This has been a big let down, but has saved me some money. In the end everybody was right...if you have a Master Volume you don't need a attenuator. I'll just have to keep playing LOUD.......cool.
 
I agree will all of you, but I have a situation, I record at home at night, (must be in silent mode) thought de XLR out of the Renegade, wich sound great by the way, now in order to have good signal to radio,
the volume of the amp must be at certain volume , now what I do is use the Hot Plate as a load only, so the amp is in silent mode, but their is good volume to maintain good singal to ratio for recording.
On top of that the output goes to a mixer wich I mixed my fx's out to the recording unit. Also I tried sending from the output of the mixer to a stereo amp and it sounds really great with stereo fx's (always using the
Hot Plate as a load only) I guest it all depends what you want to do.
 
I wonder why Egnater didn't give the Renegade the same silent option they put in the Rebel 30.
Would have been pretty great.
 
Because - it is not the same wattages so it would cost more to do it on a Renagade (higher Load) so where do they stop ? this all adds up to the price.
But surely it would be wonderfull, it would be almost a army amp or should I say army knife
 
gonogotoday":fduostpq said:
Because - it is not the same wattages so it would cost more to do it on a Renagade (higher Load) so where do they stop ? this all adds up to the price.
But surely it would be wonderfull, it would be almost a army amp or should I say army knife
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I don't think is would cost much more. But fair enough... Would be cool.
 
dan desy":17kafcr5 said:
gonogotoday":17kafcr5 said:
Because - it is not the same wattages so it would cost more to do it on a Renagade (higher Load) so where do they stop ? this all adds up to the price.
But surely it would be wonderfull, it would be almost a army amp or should I say army knife
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I don't think is would cost much more. But fair enough... Would be cool.
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Honestly the short and sweet answer is that everything comes down to cost and space in the amp. We have 2 questions we ask ourselves usually. Will it fit in the box, and will people want to pay for this feature. In this case, the silent record out would take up too much space, and add a decent amount of cost, so we opted out of it.
 
I use a Weber Mass 150 with my M4 and Randall RT2/50. I like to get the Randall breathing a little, but at that point it's so loud that the attenuator can knock the volume down to a reasonable level without killing the tone.

One thing to note about the Weber Mass products - several of them have a tone control to help bring back some of the high end that gets lost when you are really choking the volume down. That said, if you are trying to bring a large amp down to bedroom levels, it's never going to feel the same as at high volumes because you're just not pushing any air.
 
To anyone who thinks an attenuator will make any amp sound better:

A friend of mine has a really nice Aracom attenuator. It makes his AC-30 sound really great at low volumes. We matched it up with my PV Classic 100 (which does have a MV) and it made the amp sound worse at all settings. Both of us were amazed.

They certainly can be the answer. And I understand the silent recording desires of the op. But more than any other gear I recommend a "try before you buy" attitude toward attenuators.
 
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