Like many I have become obsessed with evh tone. I am running a friedman plex and using a Fryette power station for a loop and antentulator. I am trying to get the Boss SDE-3000 EVH but I have a major volume drop. I'm doing the 4 cable method and using the FX loop in the power station being the Plex dose not have one. My guitar is going into the SDE 3000 then direct out into the plex.
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DanTravis62
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Why aren't you running into the front of the amp, and then just using the SDE3000 in the loop of the power station?
edit: im guessing that's why you have volume loss
edit: im guessing that's why you have volume loss
I've ran the SDE-3000 in WDW with 2 5150's and a Plexi at church. It was heaven since out church supports vertical surround 
But now normally I just have it to go with the Lion. Love it!
If you get the SDE-3000 and follow the manual, you should be able to nail the EVH tones, even moreso with the EVH edition of the SDE-3000 which has the tones built in (Flanders' Flanger, Carl's Chorus, Vibrato Verbatim, and Phil Collen's Phaser are what he would call them).
You won't be disappointed.
But now normally I just have it to go with the Lion. Love it!If you get the SDE-3000 and follow the manual, you should be able to nail the EVH tones, even moreso with the EVH edition of the SDE-3000 which has the tones built in (Flanders' Flanger, Carl's Chorus, Vibrato Verbatim, and Phil Collen's Phaser are what he would call them).
You won't be disappointed.
This is what I am doing but the send and return go to the power station fx loop.Why aren't you running into the front of the amp, and then just using the SDE3000 in the loop of the power station?
edit: im guessing that's why you have volume loss
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DanTravis62
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I got that, my question is why would you run your input into the SDE?
I don't see what benefit you would get out of it besides making your signal chain needlessly more complex.
Why don't you just run your guitar into the input of the amp, and use the power station loop for the SDE? Or, if you want to run the SDE in front, why are you running the SDE through the power station at all?
I'm sure the volume loss is because youre using 4CM, what I can't for the life of me figure out is why you're using 4cm
VH1R2
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I'm going to get that EVH version.I've ran the SDE-3000 in WDW with 2 5150's and a Plexi at church. It was heaven since out church supports vertical surround
If you get the SDE-3000 and follow the manual, you should be able to nail the EVH tones, even moreso with the EVH edition of the SDE-3000 which has the tones built in (Flanders' Flanger, Carl's Chorus, Vibrato Verbatim, and Phil Collen's Phaser are what he would call them).
You won't be disappointed.
Sweet!!!
Here's my current set-up with the SDE-3000, but I only have the standard version
VH1R2
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Sweet!!!
Here's my current set-up with the SDE-3000, but I only have the standard version
I like
alund
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Yeah the 4CM is a bit odd unless you think the SDE has some effects that go before the preamp stage of your amp. I guess it depends on how “good” your amp is. Personally I don’t want anything except boosts into the amp directly.
I would go guitar direct into your Friedman amp input > speaker out of Friedman into Fryette Amp in > Fryette speaker cab out to cabinet of choice. This will be your sound (reamped by the Fryette).
Now to color it you will add FXs through the PS fx loop
If you have the PS100 you can turn fx on/off. Or boost your signal by switching channels in the Fryette PS
If you have the PS2 the fx can’t turn on and off via the remote switch but will need to change fx via the SDE itself- or via midi
You can also get the Friedman dry tone by coming out of the 2nd speaker out of the Friedman amp. To second cab of choice.
To sum up: I would not 4CM this set up.
I would go guitar direct into your Friedman amp input > speaker out of Friedman into Fryette Amp in > Fryette speaker cab out to cabinet of choice. This will be your sound (reamped by the Fryette).
Now to color it you will add FXs through the PS fx loop
If you have the PS100 you can turn fx on/off. Or boost your signal by switching channels in the Fryette PS
If you have the PS2 the fx can’t turn on and off via the remote switch but will need to change fx via the SDE itself- or via midi
You can also get the Friedman dry tone by coming out of the 2nd speaker out of the Friedman amp. To second cab of choice.
To sum up: I would not 4CM this set up.
This morning I tried to run the sde 3000 just the FX loop of the Fryette and I got a major volume drop. I attempted to adjust the volume of sde 3000 and it didn't help much. I then re-did the 4cm and got I got a loud I the whistle wewoo wee woo delay sound
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The point of the SDE 3000 wired with the 4cm is the sound is huge and like that 80's evh delay. The pedal has presets from all of Eddie's delay rack that he used from the mid 80's to the remainder of his career.
This pedal is honestly amazing and has the phase harmonize evh style tones and w/d/w. When I run it through my evh 5150iii, Splawn, marshall jvm410h, 6505ii, and jp2c I have no issue. But the friedman plex I'm having issues and I was under the assumption with the power station would act as if the plex had an fx loop. I want to use the plex bc of the variac mode... and you all know about that.
This is a video Pete Thorn did on the SDE3000 EVH.
It's long and I appreciate everyone's help. I'm just a novice with wiring and understanding things beyond the basic. I thankful for all your help.
. The point of the SDE 3000 wired with the 4cm is the sound is huge and like that 80's evh delay. The pedal has presets from all of Eddie's delay rack that he used from the mid 80's to the remainder of his career.
This pedal is honestly amazing and has the phase harmonize evh style tones and w/d/w. When I run it through my evh 5150iii, Splawn, marshall jvm410h, 6505ii, and jp2c I have no issue. But the friedman plex I'm having issues and I was under the assumption with the power station would act as if the plex had an fx loop. I want to use the plex bc of the variac mode... and you all know about that.
This is a video Pete Thorn did on the SDE3000 EVH.
It's long and I appreciate everyone's help. I'm just a novice with wiring and understanding things beyond the basic. I thankful for all your help.
I have the ps100
alund
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Make sure your FX levels are matched. Front and back.
harddriver
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Another member here had similar problems trying to use the SDE3000 with a single EVH amp. From my understanding the SDE3000 was made to use a single EVH 100 watt head as the DRY and then two more EVH100 watt heads as power amps using the line in for the left and right detunes for correct VH Balance Pitch detunes.
If you are using the Fryette as a loop then you won't get that left right -10 +10 cent pitch detune if the Balance tone was what you are going for. You will need to tap the signal from the dry center amp to the SDE3000 where it splitts the signal into a stereo signal with the different detune settings left -10 cents and right +10 cents and then send each to a stereo power amp which drives the left and right WET 4x12 cabinets.
With just using the Fryette for the loop you will only be able to get a single detune of-10 which will sound good just not as wide and big as -10 and +10 cents. Maybe this Andy Wood video will help you out.
If you are using the Fryette as a loop then you won't get that left right -10 +10 cent pitch detune if the Balance tone was what you are going for. You will need to tap the signal from the dry center amp to the SDE3000 where it splitts the signal into a stereo signal with the different detune settings left -10 cents and right +10 cents and then send each to a stereo power amp which drives the left and right WET 4x12 cabinets.
With just using the Fryette for the loop you will only be able to get a single detune of-10 which will sound good just not as wide and big as -10 and +10 cents. Maybe this Andy Wood video will help you out.
The SDE-3000d was made for standard mono and stereo routing out the box.
The SDE-3000evh was made for WDW routing, out the box.
That said, the SDE-3000d can still do WDW and the EVH version can still do mono and stereo routing. It's just more difficult.
I don't use my SDE-3000d in the fx loop so overall, unfortunately, I can't really help. I rely on effects pedals for any drive or modulation.
The SDE-3000evh was made for WDW routing, out the box.
That said, the SDE-3000d can still do WDW and the EVH version can still do mono and stereo routing. It's just more difficult.
I don't use my SDE-3000d in the fx loop so overall, unfortunately, I can't really help. I rely on effects pedals for any drive or modulation.
harddriver
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My point is if he is using a single head and one 4x12 cabinet there is now way for him to get the W/D/W sound without a Dry Center Amp and 4x12 cabinet and then a left -10 cent detune 4x12 cabinet and +10 cent detune right 4x12 cabinet.
There's just no way to do W/D/W with a mono setup unless the SDE3000 performs some kind of magic I am not aware of. The best you can do with a mono setup is run an -10 cent signal and that sound really good but it is not a true W/D/W which sounds huge.
harddriver
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I'm pretty sure that 4CM is the setup to run W/D/W with the 3 EVH 100 heads as Ed used to run his and unless you have 3 EVH 100 Stealth amps you cannot not use the same setup and he definitely can't get the same results with a single mono Amp head/Fryette power station for a loop and a single 4x12 cabinet. He is going to need to setup a full on W/D/W rig with a stereo power amp if he wants true W/D/W.
DanTravis62
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Pete thorn explains the one head "mono" hook up at around 18:50. I'll post a video of the one head tone with my splawn.
You could get a UAFX Lion which has the Variac tone preset into it. Problem solved.