School me on Diezel amps

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I've heard of Diezel's but haven't had the chance to play any of them. Could someone school me on Diezel amps? What are the differences between the models? Is one better than another or more well liked? Is any model better suited for a particular style of music. Thanks ;)
 
Schmidt is a low watt amp geared more towards vintage tones, IIRC.

Einstein comes in 50 and 100w versions and is a simpler, bare bones amp. It covers all the basis of sounds and from what I've heard it excels at blues, classic to hard rock.

VH4 and VH4S is the 4 channel amp that built up the Diezel popularity. It's covers all the basis and is a very modern sounding amp. It does pretty much any sound you want. This amp is MIDI capable.

Herbert is the flagship amp, it is the Cadillac of guitar amps. It can cover any sound you want, and is even more versatile than the 4 channel CH4. It is the best choice for modern metal sound and it has more on board features than any amp out with the exception of the ENGL Special Edition.
 
Hi man,
I'm sure you're soon gonna get much better words from long time players here, but in the meantime these are my 2 cents.
To me all Diezel amps share a common trademark tone so to speak, but with different flavors. A lot depends on what you're looking for in terms of tone, versatility, gain amount etc.

For example I bought a VH4 because I was primarily looking for that trademark tone (especially on the distortion side) along with the extreme versatility this amp can provide. I wanted to cover all the gain stages (from clean to heavy distortion) with the amp itself, getting rid of stomp overdrives, distortions etc. so the VH4 four channels were perfect for me.

Some would say that the VH4 suits more rock/hard rock while the Herbert is more of a metal machine, but to me both of them are able to cover a wide tonal ground. It all depends on that particular "flavor" that they have, but you've to play them to find out what's the best for you. Not to mention the Schmidt and the Einstein: smaller size but packed with a lot of beautiful tones, maybe with more of that "classic" taste (especially the Schmidt) compared to the VH4 or the Herbert.

Imho, a couple of basic considerations to start with: first, Diezels are NOT one trick ponies. Second, tone is always there: no endless tweaking, no frustrating quest; if you like that trademark sound (I refer to the feeling you get when you play Diezel amps...hard to explain with words), you'll easily find the tone you have in your mind. Just to give you an example: I had a Mesa Lonestar that took me about an year of tweaking to really like the tone I was getting (especially from CH2...if you have it or even just heard of it, you know exactly what I'm talking about LOL :D :bash:); well, when I first played a VH4 (note: the very first Diezel I played in my life) it took me just a few minutes to get a satisfying tone from all the 4 channels!!!!

Of course that was just a start (I'm not pretending to say you're gonna find your final tone in 10 minutes), but it was an easy first step because that was exactly the tone I had in my mind. Again, I cannot explain it clearly but you know it when you play :yes:

Hope this helps somehow ;)
 
Hi!

Herbert: Very tight and migty Metallamp with 2 Distortionchannels and one good cleanchannel,famous midcut,
and much helpfull features like midi

VH4: Ampstandard in many studios, also tight but 4 channels and more marhalllike,also midi

Einstein: the cheapest diezel with two channels,with 3 options in channel one,more vintage sounding
but with tight bass

Schmidt: best cleansound,very good marshalllike crunch sound, and a boost for Solos, only 30Watt class a,
but very loud and vintage sounding (my favorite Amp)

Herbert,VH4,Einstein make the sound mainly in the preamp and the rest is only for make them loud.

The Schmidt makes the sound more with the poweramp therfore it sounds more vintage.

All diezels have their own trademarksound. Thight bass good mids and the highs are not harsh more smoth.

They are build with very good parts and the service of Peter Diezel is the best you can get.

Sorry because of my bad english hoppe i could help you a little.

Nice day!

Rolf


but also
 
Hi i have vorgoten

Herbert: Metall
VH 4: Metall,Hardrock,Rock
Einstein: Metall,Hardrock,Rock
Schmidt: Hardrock,Blues,Jazz

But i think all Diezels can all styles.
I play with my Schmidt from Metzallica till Pink all styles and it works great!

It is all about the player!

So long Rolf
 
I can't stand seeing the Herbert classified as a 'metal' amp when it can and has been used in jazz and blues situations, but ya, it's got the chugga chugga capabilities... And a lot of metallers do love it.

ALL DIEZELS are outrageously well voiced. ALL DIEZELS have a tone unique unto themselves. ALL DIEZELS are built to impeccable quality standards and with tons of love and care. And last but not least, Poppa takes care of his peeps. And this last thing is what makes Diezel so special to me.

They're awesome amps. I would love an Einstein to add to the mix down the road. Schmidt too. Hell, space being no object, I'd own all of them - 100% no problem. I love 'em. Thing about Diezels I love too is the fact they're operationally quiet, they're sensitive to different tubes/glass, and when they open up, they bloom and charge like freighttrains - unlike any amp I've owned or played. They're super potent once the MV gets past noon.... They just POUND!!

Peace,
V.
 
Herbert is not just metal!! Hell Richie Sambora uses the Herbert & James Hetfield uses the VH4. These amps are versatile!!! and the possibilities are endless!!!
 
I would def say try them out. I started with a vh4 went to a herby now back to the vh4 couldnt be more happy. Diezels are the atomic bomb swiss army knifes of the gear world. Awsome unique tone, available for any situation. Not to mention the service of pappa D and Peter S is second to no one end of story. They are the best period. Now get your ass over to a store and try one of these puppys out and bang out your credit card its well worth it! lol
 
Need another Diezel fanboy post?

Both Peters are two of the coolest cats I've ever delt with. Unbelievably friendly and eager to help me out of an issue with my Einstein. They called me within hours the same day and treated me first class. Needless to say that they fixed my issue in record time.

It's not only that Peters amps have an extremely band serving sound out of the box, just put all controls at noon and just start playing. At least my Einstein has built some extra magic in that inspires me to continue playing. I can't really describe that feeling, but it certainly has something to do with its awesome dynamic range. I can dial in so many different sounds and colors. Mode 2 is my rythm tool of trade, clean to bold crunch just with the guitar volume. This amp brings out the character of each of my guitars in any mode with any gain setting without getting muddy or fizzy at high gain settings. My sound is always present, soloing is a treat. Finally this beast is ridiculously loud, many times just too loud for our gigging situations.

To me the Schmidt is a lot smoother and creamier then the Einstein. I think Mr. Diezel got bored of that neverending channel mod requests and so the Schmidt got 2 1/2 foot switchables :D

Herbert and VH4 are the flagships, but too much of an amp for me. I'v been there with midi, 4 channels and all that stuff but having one or two awesome sounds as easy as possible is the key to me now (just two buttons and no need for reverb).

Diezel Amps are first class quality. They are made up of the finest components, constructed to last. You get what you pay for. Many manufacturers claim to offer the most versatile amps but then start to fatigue after a while. Not so with Diezels, to me they are the real deal. Last but not least I need to support our local economy :rock: :rock:
 
I have been playing Diezel amps for about 10 years now. I have owned every model. I am not a metal player, but play many different styles, as needed.

ANY Diezel amp is easily capable of playing any style you can play. How you use the amp is totally dependant on your taste and styles of music preferred.

The higher wattage amps, the VH4 and Herbert, can be used in any venue from lower to higher volume settings and can provide any tone in your head. These amps come with midi switching as standard. These amps do work best at slightly higher volumes to get the tubes working a bit more, but are easily capable of being used in quieter venues as well.

The Einstein comes in two wattage variations, 50 and 100 watts, in a head format and 50 watts in a combo with reverb format. The versatility is definitely there in these amps, just as with the other, larger Diezels. What the Einstein does not have is midi switching built in. In my case this is no problem.
The Einstein, as with all Diezel amps, can be voiced to taste. By switching out different tube types, both pre and power as desired, you have the ability to really get the exact tones with all the nuances you desire from the amps.

The Schmidt is the baby Diezel with 30 watts, in a Class A format, with a terrific reverb voicing, and three channels. It has all the options of the other Diezels, but for midi switching. The versatility of this amp is as broad as anyone could ask for in all voicings (clean, mild chrunch and heavy saturation). Being a low wattage amp, it does not saturate to the extreme of the higher wattage Diezels, or get the low end thump of the VH4 or Herbert. But, it does anihilate any other amp in it's wattage class with ease.

All Diezel amps can take foot toys very well, and they all have versatile effects loops. The quality of every amp is identical in the care taken to build and insure each amp is working perfectly. The sounds available from every Diezel amp are easy to dial in fast, with lots of flexibility in each tone desired.

The quality is second to none and the amps, while each possessing their own feeling and tonal variation, bear the Diezel trademark for tone in varying degrees. All Diezel amps come with a compensated out feature. This is for using a guitar cable to connect with a P.A. instead of micing the amp up, if desired. I did a blind A/B comparison in a studio with a Neumann U-87 compared to the Diezel comp out. To be fair, I let the sound engineer set up the mic and choose between the two...comp out or live Neumann mic. The sound engineer could not tell the difference between the two. Another Diezel plus...no Diezel amp is ever started into manufacturing before Peter Diezel is absolutely and totally satisfied with the amp. I have owned amps by other manufacturers where they get an amp going, then sell it to excited buyers and make improvements all along the way for years. While Diezel amps are improved, they are only done sparingly, as the design and manufacture process is so thoroughly checked every bit along the way by Peter. Very little needs to be done, if at all.

The saturation is never harsh, or jagged sounding from any Diezel amp. The amps can all be dialed in to be as tame or viciously saturated as one desires, depending on the wattage requirements needed. Obviously a Diezel Schmidt at 30 watts is not going to have the same exact ferrocious attack as a higher wattage Diezel does, but it has an amazingly serious saturation that still remains clear and toneful, compared to other 30 watt amps by other manufacturers.

Compare any Diezel amp to other manufacturer's amps within the same approximate wattage range for tone, flexibility, build quality, and all other aspects, and you should find that there is no comparison.

If you cannot try a Diezel amp out prior to buying one, I never auditioned any Diezel amp out either prior to buying any of them. Not to worry. Consider the following for the closest match-up in an amp of your personal choosing.

How much wattage do you really need for most of your playing situations? Most of the time, in larger settings, P.A. personel will be micing you up anyway.
If you are miced up most of the time and play with a quieter stage level, I suggest an amp where the tubes can be run higher in dial setting to get the most out of the amp's tone...that is either a 50 watt Einstein or 30 watt Schmidt.

If you use midi switching for your effects consider the other, larger Diezels with midi swithcing capabilities, the VH4 or Herbert.

If you play heavier music styles consider the larger Diezels, such as the VH4, Herbert or 100 watt Einstein.

If stage space is a problem, consider a combo Einstein or Schmidt.

There are other obvious considerations to be made, but there are other posters here to offer their suggestions as well. No other amp that I have ever played through offered me all that Diezel amps do, no matter which amp, what style of music, which venue type, or band situation I have been in.
They are simply the best sounding, best built amps I have ever heard.
 
:thumbsup: Nice post C-4...!!

Diezel... :rawk:

And ya, Racerevlon, you nailed it - tonal bliss.

Peace,
V.
 
Gutmann":3symi1m4 said:
C-4 - you should update the entry on wikipedia...


:thumbsup:

Sorry guys, but I don't mess with different programs well at all, so if anyone here wishes to add this to wikiwhatever and modify or change the wording up, you have my blessing.

Thank you for the kind words. :yes:

Happy New Year to all.
Stephen
 
Don't buy a diezel.

It will make you sound as good as I do and I can't have that.
 
I'm highly satisfied with my Diezel Herbert. Can't ask for more :thumbsup:
 
C-4":2hqwjlyg said:
I have been playing Diezel amps for about 10 years now. I have owned every model. I am not a metal player, but play many different styles, as needed.

ANY Diezel amp is easily capable of playing any style you can play. How you use the amp is totally dependant on your taste and styles of music preferred.

The higher wattage amps, the VH4 and Herbert, can be used in any venue from lower to higher volume settings and can provide any tone in your head. These amps come with midi switching as standard. These amps do work best at slightly higher volumes to get the tubes working a bit more, but are easily capable of being used in quieter venues as well.

The Einstein comes in two wattage variations, 50 and 100 watts, in a head format and 50 watts in a combo with reverb format. The versatility is definitely there in these amps, just as with the other, larger Diezels. What the Einstein does not have is midi switching built in. In my case this is no problem.
The Einstein, as with all Diezel amps, can be voiced to taste. By switching out different tube types, both pre and power as desired, you have the ability to really get the exact tones with all the nuances you desire from the amps.

The Schmidt is the baby Diezel with 30 watts, in a Class A format, with a terrific reverb voicing, and three channels. It has all the options of the other Diezels, but for midi switching. The versatility of this amp is as broad as anyone could ask for in all voicings (clean, mild chrunch and heavy saturation). Being a low wattage amp, it does not saturate to the extreme of the higher wattage Diezels, or get the low end thump of the VH4 or Herbert. But, it does anihilate any other amp in it's wattage class with ease.

All Diezel amps can take foot toys very well, and they all have versatile effects loops. The quality of every amp is identical in the care taken to build and insure each amp is working perfectly. The sounds available from every Diezel amp are easy to dial in fast, with lots of flexibility in each tone desired.

The quality is second to none and the amps, while each possessing their own feeling and tonal variation, bear the Diezel trademark for tone in varying degrees. All Diezel amps come with a compensated out feature. This is for using a guitar cable to connect with a P.A. instead of micing the amp up, if desired. I did a blind A/B comparison in a studio with a Neumann U-87 compared to the Diezel comp out. To be fair, I let the sound engineer set up the mic and choose between the two...comp out or live Neumann mic. The sound engineer could not tell the difference between the two. Another Diezel plus...no Diezel amp is ever started into manufacturing before Peter Diezel is absolutely and totally satisfied with the amp. I have owned amps by other manufacturers where they get an amp going, then sell it to excited buyers and make improvements all along the way for years. While Diezel amps are improved, they are only done sparingly, as the design and manufacture process is so thoroughly checked every bit along the way by Peter. Very little needs to be done, if at all.

The saturation is never harsh, or jagged sounding from any Diezel amp. The amps can all be dialed in to be as tame or viciously saturated as one desires, depending on the wattage requirements needed. Obviously a Diezel Schmidt at 30 watts is not going to have the same exact ferrocious attack as a higher wattage Diezel does, but it has an amazingly serious saturation that still remains clear and toneful, compared to other 30 watt amps by other manufacturers.

Compare any Diezel amp to other manufacturer's amps within the same approximate wattage range for tone, flexibility, build quality, and all other aspects, and you should find that there is no comparison.

If you cannot try a Diezel amp out prior to buying one, I never auditioned any Diezel amp out either prior to buying any of them. Not to worry. Consider the following for the closest match-up in an amp of your personal choosing.

How much wattage do you really need for most of your playing situations? Most of the time, in larger settings, P.A. personel will be micing you up anyway.
If you are miced up most of the time and play with a quieter stage level, I suggest an amp where the tubes can be run higher in dial setting to get the most out of the amp's tone...that is either a 50 watt Einstein or 30 watt Schmidt.

If you use midi switching for your effects consider the other, larger Diezels with midi swithcing capabilities, the VH4 or Herbert.

If you play heavier music styles consider the larger Diezels, such as the VH4, Herbert or 100 watt Einstein.

If stage space is a problem, consider a combo Einstein or Schmidt.

There are other obvious considerations to be made, but there are other posters here to offer their suggestions as well. No other amp that I have ever played through offered me all that Diezel amps do, no matter which amp, what style of music, which venue type, or band situation I have been in.
They are simply the best sounding, best built amps I have ever heard.

Can I get that heavy VH4 channel 3 & 4 tone on a Einstein?
 
I own both. Its different. The Einstein has a better bluesy crunch and clean than the vh4 IMO. Although vh4 chan 2 is no slouch. The lead channels (vh4 ch4 and Einstein ch2 are similar enough that I don't prefer one over the other. Vh4 channel 3 can't be done on the einey. Einey's heavy is much looser and sounds similar but to be honest I always goto the vh4 when it's heavy time. It's magical. To break it down. If you want a more bluesy/classic sound go einey. If you want the heavier sounds go vh4. They both do it all better than most amps out there, but each excels at it's own thing a bit more. Im keeping both.

Hope that helps.

Can I get that heavy VH4 channel 3 & 4 tone on a Einstein?
 
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