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Kev
New member
just saw this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwOL4b0eYyI (jump to 1:25 to skip the intro)
what do you think about that?
what do you think about that?
duesentrieb
Well-known member
lol
With a good designed and constructed PCB you will have good reliabilty, less (!) noise (actually you can place the components closer to where they actually belong = shorter wires = less noise) - and better tone (how would one compare that? a PTP vs a PCB amp - makes no sense cause nobody has done that yet with identical (!) amps).
Marketing. Its all about marketing.
Oh, and I would like to see a PTP Midi and Output-Mute board from this manufacturer. Must be fun to solder 128 PIN controllers PTP
With a good designed and constructed PCB you will have good reliabilty, less (!) noise (actually you can place the components closer to where they actually belong = shorter wires = less noise) - and better tone (how would one compare that? a PTP vs a PCB amp - makes no sense cause nobody has done that yet with identical (!) amps).
Marketing. Its all about marketing.
Oh, and I would like to see a PTP Midi and Output-Mute board from this manufacturer. Must be fun to solder 128 PIN controllers PTP
Peter Diezel
Well-known member
We have a lot of wiring because all pots
and the most used jacks are not on the
PCB.
We have 2,5mm PCBs with 105µm copper.
PTP is for beginners
and the most used jacks are not on the
PCB.
We have 2,5mm PCBs with 105µm copper.
PTP is for beginners
duesentrieb
Well-known member
My "fullboard-PTP" isn't that bad either . . .
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Kev
New member
i knew it 
thanks for the superfast reply!
but still cornford has some really nice amps (but way noisier then diezels )
thanks for the superfast reply!
but still cornford has some really nice amps (but way noisier then diezels
)
elfredoo
New member
duesentrieb":t972x7rx said:Oh, and I would like to see a PTP Midi and Output-Mute board from this manufacturer. Must be fun to solder 128 PIN controllers PTP
but remember: if it is all soldered ptp, the engineer just has a look inside, instantly finds the problem, repairs it and you're good to go like "in, up, down and out" in 5 minutes
would like to watch him find his way through hundreds of cables though
Peter Diezel
Well-known member
Most engineers ask how to open the amp
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Anonymous
Guest
I will go with Peter's assessment of anything amp-related any time. 
Everyone has their own opinion on how to do what they do.
I have seen some of the other high-end p-t-p wired amps and they do not incorporate nearly the things Peter's amps do, and they sound very similar to each other in many ways.
The fanboys of these amps are quite prolific in the states, but then these are some of the same people that are stuck in the 1950's in their thinking about how everything amp-wise/and guitar-wise should be done. Why are these folks not still buying land phones and using ancient types opf computers, based on this reasoning?
If you only use your eyes and what is "perceived" as being the "only" way to do things, you wind up missing out on a lot of great inventions that may push the envelope on musical gear.
I'm one of, if not the oldest player here that still plays out constantly, and I have more forward thinking then a lot of the opinionated peeps on some other forums that look down their noses at anyone who doesn't follow their line of thinking.
Besides, how many of you willl own the same amps for so long that you will need internal work done that often? In my experinece, and from what I have read, not that many people keep an amp that long. They wind up buying older amps, which may need work, but there are intelligent people out there doing repairs on PCB amps by simply replacing the burned out part.
Mesa amps that used to be p-t-p wired as with Marshalls, Vox's and Fenders, et.al., do not all sound the same from one of the same exact model to the next. I know as I went through these amps when they first came out. If a PCB is done correctly with high quality parts soldered to it, it will hold up to the rigors of hard use and be more consistant from one amp to the next of the same model. In all of my time playing, I have never had a problem getting a PCB fixed if needed, and that has been practically never. I have had no more problems with either type of wiring, and probably far less then some people have had the misfortune of having.
You cannot tell another person that their way of thinking is wrong, as it is only their opinion and yes, they are entitled to it. I however, don't plan to miss out on anything such as Peter develops while I am still breathing. You may not know it yet, but life is too short to deny yourself the benefit of modern thinking in musical gear. I have been playing the old gear since it was new. I cannot allow myself to keep getting the same things with just a twist on what has been out there for 50 years. Look at all the great new inventions and innovations developed by people such as Peter have done. I might be old and in the way, but I try to stay way ahead of the curve in my thinking on gear. I have never been let down yet, and my tone has only continued to improve. I see no down side here.
Everyone has their own opinion on how to do what they do.
I have seen some of the other high-end p-t-p wired amps and they do not incorporate nearly the things Peter's amps do, and they sound very similar to each other in many ways.
The fanboys of these amps are quite prolific in the states, but then these are some of the same people that are stuck in the 1950's in their thinking about how everything amp-wise/and guitar-wise should be done. Why are these folks not still buying land phones and using ancient types opf computers, based on this reasoning?
If you only use your eyes and what is "perceived" as being the "only" way to do things, you wind up missing out on a lot of great inventions that may push the envelope on musical gear.
I'm one of, if not the oldest player here that still plays out constantly, and I have more forward thinking then a lot of the opinionated peeps on some other forums that look down their noses at anyone who doesn't follow their line of thinking.
Besides, how many of you willl own the same amps for so long that you will need internal work done that often? In my experinece, and from what I have read, not that many people keep an amp that long. They wind up buying older amps, which may need work, but there are intelligent people out there doing repairs on PCB amps by simply replacing the burned out part.
Mesa amps that used to be p-t-p wired as with Marshalls, Vox's and Fenders, et.al., do not all sound the same from one of the same exact model to the next. I know as I went through these amps when they first came out. If a PCB is done correctly with high quality parts soldered to it, it will hold up to the rigors of hard use and be more consistant from one amp to the next of the same model. In all of my time playing, I have never had a problem getting a PCB fixed if needed, and that has been practically never. I have had no more problems with either type of wiring, and probably far less then some people have had the misfortune of having.
You cannot tell another person that their way of thinking is wrong, as it is only their opinion and yes, they are entitled to it. I however, don't plan to miss out on anything such as Peter develops while I am still breathing. You may not know it yet, but life is too short to deny yourself the benefit of modern thinking in musical gear. I have been playing the old gear since it was new. I cannot allow myself to keep getting the same things with just a twist on what has been out there for 50 years. Look at all the great new inventions and innovations developed by people such as Peter have done. I might be old and in the way, but I try to stay way ahead of the curve in my thinking on gear. I have never been let down yet, and my tone has only continued to improve. I see no down side here.