So Much for "Combat-Tested"

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I've had this Lava Cable "Tephra" speaker cable plugged into the same amp and cab for about a year. Haven't touched the cable. Today my amp died in the middle of a song. Thought the OT died. Turned out to be the speaker cable, which had both a continuity issue and short to ground on the same plug.

Found a broken solder joint and a short to the case due to the use of way too many individual wires for such small plugs. Keep in mind I never touched the cable. One second it was working, the next... nothing. All four solder joints on both jacks are cold. Zero strain relief. Just some shoddy electrical tape wrapped around the joints. Tore the wire out of the jacket to see what they use. Rubbery hardware store-like wire. Nothing wrong with hardware store wire. Just want to let you all know this is what you're paying for. Here's the marketing hype they use to describe their product:

"Handmade and combat-tested
...Tephra is built tour-tough for the long haul... Designed by Mark Stoddard to withstand high heat and combat while he was deployed in Afghanistan...


I don't know who Mark Stoddard is. But if this guitar amp speaker wire is "combat tested" in Afghanistan then I'm a four-star general. It's clear this cold solder joint has been broken for quite some time but the electrical tape wrapped around the joint held it in place so there was continuity. No strain relief. Cold solder joints. Lacked proper heat shrink on both + and - joints independently, on both ends. The electrical tape was gooey and slimey. Which means it got hot and melted. That's why you need to use actual heat shrink rated for the application. This is unacceptable and could have lead to a costly amp repair had the OT blown. Caveat emptor.

In the end, no big deal. Just a cable. But it's snake oil like this that pisses me off.

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I've had many regular instrument and mic cables go out on me from cold solder joints, but never a load bearing speaker cable. :no: If you can solder well enough, you might want to invest in some cable and just make them yourself to ensure the joints are good and actual heat shrink is used. The last time I ordered cable for myself was in 2016, I made guitar cables, mic cables, cables for my monitors, and patch cables for pedalboards. They've never failed me since. I ordered from Redco.com, for a 10ft 12AWG Mogami speaker Cable and 2 Neutrik plugs it's $35.
 
vultures":33ouaezu said:
I've had many regular instrument and mic cables go out on me from cold solder joints, but never a load bearing speaker cable. :no: If you can solder well enough, you might want to invest in some cable and just make them yourself to ensure the joints are good and actual heat shrink is used. The last time I ordered cable for myself was in 2016, I made guitar cables, mic cables, cables for my monitors, and patch cables for pedalboards. They've never failed me since. I ordered from Redco.com, for a 10ft 12AWG Mogami speaker Cable and 2 Neutrik plugs it's $35.


he can solder better than anyone I have ever seen!
 
mooncobra":1hyms38d said:
vultures":1hyms38d said:
I've had many regular instrument and mic cables go out on me from cold solder joints, but never a load bearing speaker cable. :no: If you can solder well enough, you might want to invest in some cable and just make them yourself to ensure the joints are good and actual heat shrink is used. The last time I ordered cable for myself was in 2016, I made guitar cables, mic cables, cables for my monitors, and patch cables for pedalboards. They've never failed me since. I ordered from Redco.com, for a 10ft 12AWG Mogami speaker Cable and 2 Neutrik plugs it's $35.


he can solder better than anyone I have ever seen!

I've heard only good things about Redco as well as Kevin at Geistnote.
 
If that's combat tested in Afghanistan, then lord have mercy on our poor boys that are relying on this shit engineer.
 
lockingtuner":2uscn3mp said:
mooncobra":2uscn3mp said:
vultures":2uscn3mp said:
I've had many regular instrument and mic cables go out on me from cold solder joints, but never a load bearing speaker cable. :no: If you can solder well enough, you might want to invest in some cable and just make them yourself to ensure the joints are good and actual heat shrink is used. The last time I ordered cable for myself was in 2016, I made guitar cables, mic cables, cables for my monitors, and patch cables for pedalboards. They've never failed me since. I ordered from Redco.com, for a 10ft 12AWG Mogami speaker Cable and 2 Neutrik plugs it's $35.


he can solder better than anyone I have ever seen!

I've heard only good things about Redco as well as Kevin at Geistnote.

Redco is a solid supplier. Good prices on bulk cable, etc. I've never purchased a pre-made cable from them though, but seems like a good option.
 
FourT6and2":ke9m4nzl said:
lockingtuner":ke9m4nzl said:
mooncobra":ke9m4nzl said:
vultures":ke9m4nzl said:
I've had many regular instrument and mic cables go out on me from cold solder joints, but never a load bearing speaker cable. :no: If you can solder well enough, you might want to invest in some cable and just make them yourself to ensure the joints are good and actual heat shrink is used. The last time I ordered cable for myself was in 2016, I made guitar cables, mic cables, cables for my monitors, and patch cables for pedalboards. They've never failed me since. I ordered from Redco.com, for a 10ft 12AWG Mogami speaker Cable and 2 Neutrik plugs it's $35.


he can solder better than anyone I have ever seen!

I've heard only good things about Redco as well as Kevin at Geistnote.

Redco is a solid supplier. Good prices on bulk cable, etc. I've never purchased a pre-made cable from them though, but seems like a good option.

Me neither. If you do buy a pre-made one, though, please let us know how it looks. Solid cables save a lot of headaches.
 
I'm sure the Op could show Mr. Combat Tested how its done if making his own cables.
 
lockingtuner":2g1iydwt said:
FourT6and2":2g1iydwt said:
lockingtuner":2g1iydwt said:
mooncobra":2g1iydwt said:
vultures":2g1iydwt said:
I've had many regular instrument and mic cables go out on me from cold solder joints, but never a load bearing speaker cable. :no: If you can solder well enough, you might want to invest in some cable and just make them yourself to ensure the joints are good and actual heat shrink is used. The last time I ordered cable for myself was in 2016, I made guitar cables, mic cables, cables for my monitors, and patch cables for pedalboards. They've never failed me since. I ordered from Redco.com, for a 10ft 12AWG Mogami speaker Cable and 2 Neutrik plugs it's $35.


he can solder better than anyone I have ever seen!

I've heard only good things about Redco as well as Kevin at Geistnote.

Redco is a solid supplier. Good prices on bulk cable, etc. I've never purchased a pre-made cable from them though, but seems like a good option.

Me neither. If you do buy a pre-made one, though, please let us know how it looks. Solid cables save a lot of headaches.

Lots of good dealings with Redco. I had one cable pre-made through them, and it came out great. It was a CAT5E cable with a regular RJ45 one one end and an Ethercon jack on the other. It was custom made to go from a distribution box to a breakout panel for our in ear rig. It came out great, and I stuffed it in the snake that goes across the stage.

FWIW, I would just order cable and jacks from Redco and build them yourself. Soldering is not difficult. Building our in ear rack this year, I made a hundred cables easy, and I only had one fail on me. It was an instrument cable that had the solder joint short to the casing when i put it together. Shouldn't have skipped the insulation, but electrical tape fixed it.
 
FWIW, I bought a bulk of cable and connectors from Redco last month and was surprised to find they were less expensive than most of the places I buik order electronic components from. I'm wiring up racks right now and needed a bunch of instrument cables.

Anyhow, I'm getting ready to put together a bunch of mic cables and will go back to them for that.
 
Another jackass with a a soldering iron and some marketing hype. The amount of wires used on that small tab is just insane. Anything over 14ga is too much. Typically when you put that much into your sales pitch, its to compensate for your product.
 
Interesting, on that speaker cable design. I always sort of wondered what they were doing 'different' vs. the standard speaker cable to try and justify the price.

I'm another fan of Redco for bulk wire, connectors, and Techflex.
 
I've found that my $14 GLS Audio speaker cables off Amazon, test out the same as my more expensive cables
 
All these companies are just BS'ing their customers. Here's a blurb from Evidence Audio about their $85 speaker cable:

"The Siren Speaker Cable applies the design priorities of Evidence Audio to a cable which can handle the demands of an amplified signal without adding distortion through strand interaction. While line-level cables can avoid the smearing we attribute to skin effect by using a 20-awg conductor, a single 20-awg conductor does not offer enough cross-sectional area to keep an amplified signal from using the conductor as a filament. Three audio optimized conductors are joined together for positive, and three for negative in order to lower resistance and provide ample dampening between an amplifier and drivers."

"...without adding distortion through strand interaction..."
This has zero to do with guitar amp signals.

"...a single 20-awg conductor does not offer enough cross-sectional area to keep an amplified signal from using the conductor as a filament..."
Translation: 20-awg wire can get hot sometimes, so we use thicker cable (just like everybody else).

..."provide ample dampening between an amplifier and drivers..."
Uhhh, what? The cable has fuck-all to do with dampening.

And if you zoom in on the photo of their cable, it says solid core. I assume this means the wire is solid and not stranded. That's bad. Bend their cable one time too many and the wire can break.
 
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