Speaker Break Up?

[bmwm3cs]

What is "Break Up" when one is refering to a speaker?

I was reading about the G12 speakers having a later breaker up than the V30's. I have heard varies people talking about "break up' in the past and was not really sure what they are refering too.

 

[duesentrieb]

Break In (not up).

New speakers are stiff and harsh, after some serious time playing loud thru them they get rounder, less stiff, less hard, smoother, more natural - thats the time they need to break in.

 

[diezel&gas]

that' s what i felt on mine 2 x 12 in its really first hours of life. hitting-playing the 3 lighter strings i heard a kind of BOOM-pushing-knocking sound from the cab, audible everywhere on the room.

seems it's disappearing now

 

[Neuro]

Well, guys, if he really is talking about speaker "break-up," this would be referring to the way the speaker naturally distorts right? Which can vary depending on how much headroom the speaker allows, meaning that lower wattage speakers break up faster than higher wattage speakers.

For example, Celestion GK-100's probably won't break up because their wattage is so high, while Celestion Greenbacks are actually known for their break-up, which sounds pleasing to the ear. Both speakers are great. The GK-100's are known for great frequency response (not coloring your amp sound), while Greenbacks are just one of many popular speakers that have that nice "break-up" that people prefer.

In reference to the original question, I'm not sure which G12 speakers you are talking about. There are MANY G12's: G12M (Greenbacks), G12H-30, G12H-30 Heritage, G12-65 Heritage, G12 Century/Vintage, G12T-75's

The most popular "G12's" are listed below:

G12M "Greenbacks" - As discussed above, they break up very soon (25 Watts)...great voicing

G12H-30 - My favorite speaker, breaks up a tad bit faster than a Vintage 30, I love the voicing of this speaker. These are 30 Watts while the Vintage 30's are 60 Watts (I think)

G12T-75 - Found in most Marshall cabinets (1960 Lead/JCM Series), they have slightly scooped mids and break up LATER than Vintage 30's...these are 75 watts and MAY have been what your friend was referring to

Here's a link I found a while back that does a great job comparing the audio of some popular Celestions including Vintage 30's (V30's) and the ones mentioned above...so you can actually HEAR the difference: http://www.bobsavage.net/bogner/bogner.htm Check out the Bogner Shiva clips

Hope this helps man, and someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this...Later!

-Neuro

 

[ajharris1215]

Well, guys, if he really is talking about speaker "break-up," this would be referring to the way the speaker naturally distorts right? Which can vary depending on how much headroom the speaker allows, meaning that lower wattage speakers break up faster than higher wattage speakers.

For example, Celestion GK-100's probably won't break up because their wattage is so high, while Celestion Greenbacks are actually known for their break-up, which sounds pleasing to the ear. Both speakers are great. The GK-100's are known for great frequency response (not coloring your amp sound), while Greenbacks are just one of many popular speakers that have that nice "break-up" that people prefer.

In reference to the original question, I'm not sure which G12 speakers you are talking about. There are MANY G12's: G12M (Greenbacks), G12H-30, G12H-30 Heritage, G12-65 Heritage, G12 Century/Vintage, G12T-75's

The most popular "G12's" are listed below:

G12M "Greenbacks" - As discussed above, they break up very soon (25 Watts)...great voicing

G12H-30 - My favorite speaker, breaks up a tad bit faster than a Vintage 30, I love the voicing of this speaker. These are 30 Watts while the Vintage 30's are 60 Watts (I think)

G12T-75 - Found in most Marshall cabinets (1960 Lead/JCM Series), they have slightly scooped mids and break up LATER than Vintage 30's...these are 75 watts and MAY have been what your friend was referring to

Here's a link I found a while back that does a great job comparing the audio of some popular Celestions including Vintage 30's (V30's) and the ones mentioned above...so you can actually HEAR the difference: http://www.bobsavage.net/bogner/bogner.htm Check out the Bogner Shiva clips

Hope this helps man, and someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this...Later!

-Neuro

this is correct. yes, of course speakers have a "break in" period, but he's referring to speaker break up. this can be thought of as "speaker distortion".

the lower the speaker's wattage, the faster it will break up. neuro explained it well. saying anything more would be redundant...

thanks for the speaker comparisons link! very useful... i once loaded a marshall 4x12 with vintage 30's and greenbacks (x-pattern). it sounded nice. i want to try the same with v30's/g12h-30's, and also greenbacks/g12h-30's... i'm sure the results would be sweet!

 

[Neuro]

Dude, the V30/G12H-30 combo is all I use. The V30's have the sweet midrange and the G12H-30's have a really rich high end and bass. I couldn't imagine using anything else to be honest. I don't play metal, but I do play some heavy tones and I'm a sucker for sweet vintage tones as well. This combo does it all in my opinion.

 

[bmwm3cs]

Thanks!!!!!!! This helped a lot. That was a very resourceful link also.

Well, guys, if he really is talking about speaker "break-up," this would be referring to the way the speaker naturally distorts right? Which can vary depending on how much headroom the speaker allows, meaning that lower wattage speakers break up faster than higher wattage speakers.

For example, Celestion GK-100's probably won't break up because their wattage is so high, while Celestion Greenbacks are actually known for their break-up, which sounds pleasing to the ear. Both speakers are great. The GK-100's are known for great frequency response (not coloring your amp sound), while Greenbacks are just one of many popular speakers that have that nice "break-up" that people prefer.

In reference to the original question, I'm not sure which G12 speakers you are talking about. There are MANY G12's: G12M (Greenbacks), G12H-30, G12H-30 Heritage, G12-65 Heritage, G12 Century/Vintage, G12T-75's

The most popular "G12's" are listed below:

G12M "Greenbacks" - As discussed above, they break up very soon (25 Watts)...great voicing




G12H-30 - My favorite speaker, breaks up a tad bit faster than a Vintage 30, I love the voicing of this speaker. These are 30 Watts while the Vintage 30's are 60 Watts (I think)

G12T-75 - Found in most Marshall cabinets (1960 Lead/JCM Series), they have slightly scooped mids and break up LATER than Vintage 30's...these are 75 watts and MAY have been what your friend was referring to

Here's a link I found a while back that does a great job comparing the audio of some popular Celestions including Vintage 30's (V30's) and the ones mentioned above...so you can actually HEAR the difference: http://www.bobsavage.net/bogner/bogner.htm Check out the Bogner Shiva clips

Hope this helps man, and someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this...Later!

-Neuro

 

[duesentrieb]

Well, guys, if he really is talking about speaker "break-up," this would be referring to the way the speaker naturally distorts right? o

My bad . . . sorry.

Good info !

Thanks

 

[Neuro]

Well, guys, if he really is talking about speaker "break-up," this would be referring to the way the speaker naturally distorts right? o

My bad . . . sorry.

Good info !

Thanks

Thanks bud.