Stereo Rig Help?

[Anxiety Serum]

So I've got a Twin City A/B/Y splitter. Amp A has a loop with some pedals running in the loop that are stereo and go out to both amps. When I change to amp B, amp A goes silent but I can here the looped reverb and delay in amp A's speaker. I can also hear the reverb and delay pedal in amp B, so its not like I routed those incorrectly (I don't think).


Signal chain:
ABY>TC mimic split to:

1. Front of Amp A
2. Bottom slot of TC Delay>Bottom slot of TC HOF>Amp B

Loop runs from Amp A send slot>wah>phaser>Top of Delay>Top of HOF>Return of Amp A

Again when I play amp B I can hear some reverb or delay out of the speakers of Amp A , but no WAH or Phaser if turned on. The Wah and Phaser aren't stereo. But its like the stereo reverb and delay are still sending signal through the loop even though the amp is cut off at the ABY box and has no dry sound out of the amp.

What am I missing?

 

[gtrwun]

I think the problem is running the stereo effect in the loop from amp A to amp B.

Disconnect and start from there. I could be completely wrong, but it’s a start.

 

[Anxiety Serum]

I think the problem is running the stereo effect in the loop from amp A to amp B.

Disconnect and start from there. I could be completely wrong, but it’s a start.

Just to be clear, the stereo effect is not running from A to B.

The loop runs through the top mono jack on the pedal and the B amp runs through the bottom jack.

Seems like some of the B signal is leaking over to the A side of the pedal. Maybe that is how it's supposed to work? But there is no signal from amp A coming into the pedal top jack so surprised anything is coming out of that mono jack and into the FX.

Wonder if this is how it is supposed to be or if the pedal has some leakage. Or if I messed something up.

 

[311splawndude]

That is pretty perplexing. I have a similar set up but have never experienced this problem. Can I ask you a question though because the term 'slot' is throwing me. Do you mean Send Jack A and Send Jack B? It was my impression that Send Jack B (or 2) on any pedal is usually for a second amp. Then you spread the speaker cabinet apart to get the benefit of the stereo pinging. No?

The wah and phaser should not be (usually not) in the effects loop. Up front.

The TC Mimiq works best if you are running into 2 different amps. It sounds like you are trying to run everything into amp A?

See my similar set up below. The lower row is front end of both amps. The Boss NS is in a X pattern. The Boss Loop Station is not engaged just sitting there. The top row is effects loop of my Amp B (Splawn). Amp A (Recto) is completely dry. Both amps are connected to the Mimiq (post ABY) pedal.

So you are not trying to use the stereo capabilities of the delay and reverb with 2 amps? Just checking.

 

[JackBootedThug]

I'm using a mimiq as a splitter but I'm running into the front of each amp. All the effects I have are boosts, distortion, fuzz and a vibe....so guitar into my first pedal...the mimiq is my last pedal splitting into the front of my tverb and ultra+.....

 

[Anxiety Serum]

That is pretty perplexing. I have a similar set up but have never experienced this problem. Can I ask you a question though because the term 'slot' is throwing me. Do you mean Send Jack A and Send Jack B? It was my impression that Send Jack B (or 2) on any pedal is usually for a second amp. Then you spread the speaker cabinet apart to get the benefit of the stereo pinging. No?

The wah and phaser should not be (usually not) in the effects loop. Up front.

The TC Mimiq works best if you are running into 2 different amps. It sounds like you are trying to run everything into amp A?

See my similar set up below. The lower row is front end of both amps. The Boss NS is in a X pattern. The Boss Loop Station is not engaged just sitting there. The top row is effects loop of my Amp B (Splawn). Amp A (Recto) is completely dry. Both amps are connected to the Mimiq (post ABY) pedal.

So you are not trying to use the stereo capabilities of the delay and reverb with 2 amps? Just checking.

I am trying to use the stereo delay and reverb in both amps, but when I want to play just the one amp I still get the stereo reverb out of the other amp that is cut off at the ABY switcher.

Mimiq is only turned on when both amps used.

By slot I mean jack. Amp A (Diezel VH2) FX loop runs through the top (mono In) jack of hall of Fame and flashback pedal and out the top (mono out) jack.

Amp B is a Princeton clone, no FX loop, the signal goes from the splitter to mimiq to bottom jack or stereo in and out of the 2 pedals into the front of the amp.

Everything works great in stereo, both amps get the delay and reverb. It's just when only playing Princeton, I still get the reverb and delay sound out of Diezel cab. But nothing else comes out just an echo. So the splitter is doing its job and cutting off the single to front of amp. But the loop is somehow getting signal from the stereo pedals even though no signal should be running through the mono jack.

Hopefully that makes sense.


Side note: Not sure why I just liked the phaser and wah in loop better. I know it's not standard.

 

[Anxiety Serum]

I can send a better picture when at home, but for now.
Bottom left three and what are in the VH2 loop. The rest is in front end before the any switcher.

 

[Anxiety Serum]

I guess the real question is this

Are the TC stereo pedals designed to send stereo out even if only hit with input from 1 jack?

I was thinking it needed to be hit with both but maybe not. It may be splitting the signal from the bottom input and sending it out both output jacks?

 

[GOHOINC]

I am trying to use the stereo delay and reverb in both amps, but when I want to play just the one amp I still get the stereo reverb out of the other amp that is cut off at the ABY switcher.

Many "Stereo" pedals are not truly isolated stereo paths. Many stereo pedals down mix to mono at some point in the signal and then split back out to stereo. I had the same thing happening when using an Earthquaker devices avalanche run delay in loop of two amps. This also supports why, if wah, phaser etc. are in loop of A only, if you switch to using B only, then you wont get anything through them as there is no "send" signal from amp A... But the delay and reverb are still getting input signal from B side.

Best solution I found was an H9.

 

[phil b]

I guess the real question is this

Are the TC stereo pedals designed to send stereo out even if only hit with input from 1 jack?

I was thinking it needed to be hit with both but maybe not. It may be splitting the signal from the bottom input and sending it out both output jacks?

That would make sense. Seems its acting like a mono in stereo out effect which a lot of rack units operate in that way. To be sure I have a H.O.F. 2 pedal and also run a stereo rig. I can test mono input from guitar and out to both amps if you want. By all means though it does sound like its operating as a mono in stereo out pedal should.

 

[Anxiety Serum]

Thanks guys.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't running it wrong.

Sounds like functioning as designed.

So just put amp A in standby when wanting to run amp B only.

 

[Markedman]

The mimiq knob for blend is set all the way to the right. There’s your problem. Set it to center or “noon”.

 

[311splawndude]

The mimiq knob for blend is set all the way to the right. There’s your problem. Set it to center or “noon”.

His are all almost at noon

Maybe you are referring to my pic? I've done lots of weird shit with this pedal.



EDIT: NM. Now I see. I thought his setting were at 11 oclock. Now I see they are maxed at 5pm.

 

[Anxiety Serum]

The mimiq knob for blend is set all the way to the right. There’s your problem. Set it to center or “noon”.

Not sure if I was running it like that. This pic is before I tuned the mimiq, so I'll have to check where I ran it.

But the pedal is off when I run the B amp by itself and get the reverb/delay in the Amp.

So it shouldn't impact that right?

 

[Anxiety Serum]

His are all almost at noon

Maybe you are referring to my pic? I've done lots of weird shit with this pedal.

He's right, in the pic they are all maxed out. My kid probably played with the knobs. I hadn't used that pedal in a while since I didnt have a second amp over there.

 

[311splawndude]

He's right, in the pic they are all maxed out. My kid probably played with the knobs. I hadn't used that pedal in a while since I didnt have a second amp over there.

Ha ha.

Sorry about that. Yep, it was late I was not focusing when I said that. I thought all of your settings were at 11 oclock ish. Now I see they were at 5pm (maxed). Yeah, that may not sound good but I think @RaceU4her does that actually if I'm not mistaken.

 

[311splawndude]

I am trying to use the stereo delay and reverb in both amps, but when I want to play just the one amp I still get the stereo reverb out of the other amp that is cut off at the ABY switcher.

Mimiq is only turned on when both amps used.

By slot I mean jack. Amp A (Diezel VH2) FX loop runs through the top (mono In) jack of hall of Fame and flashback pedal and out the top (mono out) jack.

Amp B is a Princeton clone, no FX loop, the signal goes from the splitter to mimiq to bottom jack or stereo in and out of the 2 pedals into the front of the amp.

Sorry. Not the expert here. I feel like this last part is part of the problem. I believe those 2 pedals would provide an actual stereo signal (ping pong effect) if they were used as intended. 2 amp signals IN input 1 and input 2 and then 2 effect signals OUT output 1 and output 2. Right? Maybe no?

But you are not doing and you are introducing the Mimiq. I could probably mimic (no pun) exactly what you are doing I just don't feel like recabling everything

I tried to draw this out and somewhat failed. But yeah I think your Reverb and Delay pedals are picking up the signal (inside the pedal itself) even though they are turned off. You could consider a kill switch of some kind or another ABY.

 

[Anxiety Serum]

I think Phil B and gohoinc probably nailed it.

Regardless of which signal is hitting the pedal, the pedal is spitting it out both out jacks. So when the B amp signal hits the bottom in jack on the pedal, the A amp out single on top is still being sent.

Easy solution, just turn amp A in standby if playing just Amp B. or enjoy stereo reverb and mono dry sound, I guess.

 

[JackBootedThug]

I think Phil B and gohoinc probably nailed it.

Regardless of which signal is hitting the pedal, the pedal is spitting it out both out jacks. So when the B amp signal hits the bottom in jack on the pedal, the A amp out single on top is still being sent.

Easy solution, just turn amp A in standby if playing just Amp B. or enjoy stereo reverb and mono dry sound, I guess.

that sucks balls....

 

[phil b]

that sucks balls....

Its just the nature of a stereo pedal. If it was mono it would work, but then you would need 2 of them. Now you could go nuts and get a switcher that you could actually turn off the loop of the one amp but thats a lot of gear instead of hitting standby. Does suck though wanting to do something seemingly pretty simple and having to add gear to do it.