TC Nova Delay and MOD 50

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Just wanted to start a new thread for this topic because it seems of interest for a few people. donbarzini had given his thoughts in Marco's thread and he didnt see it comparing favorably to the Timefactor. Im having a pretty different experience with mine. Ive only used it for an hour, but Im pretty sure I already prefer it to my Boss DD-20. Now... neither the TC or the Boss are true bypass. However, to my ears, my tone still sounds damn good when either is in the signal path. Do they both affect tone? Most likely. Almost everything does, but like I said, my tone still sounds incredible so Im not sure I care. I definitely do not hear the half-cocked wah-wah type sound donbarzini is getting. I have no loss of high end that I can tell and I would think the wah wah sound would be a pretty noticable tone change and Im just not hearing it. Maybe his pedal is busted? Anyway, Im going to put the pedal in a true bypass box tomorrow night and see if I can really tell the difference (when Nova Delay is off) when its in the signal path or not. Now... onto the actual delay sounds...

The Nova Delay's delays are stellar. Really pristine, hi-fi digital delays here. Though there are settings for analog and tape, this baby sounds digital so if thats not your thing, you should look elsewhere. I happen to like that and think the crisp delay sounds are awesome. The modulation added to the delay is a little suble from what ive experienced so far, but I need more time to mess with that. Im not sure it could replace my Jacques chorus pedal with a preset but I need more time to determine that.

One concern I had is that the switches seem a little flimsy compared to the rest of the iron-clad construction. Im sure theyre fine, but compared to the Boss (which is a tank) they feel a little more sensitive. However. TC stuff is used by lots of pros (G-System on tour with Vai) so Id think they'll last.

Also, the "audio tap tempo" is definitely cool but useless if you use a parallel loop. Sure it mutes the pedals output, but if your loop mixes it in only 30%, you still get 70% of your pure dry amp (non muted) signal blasting through. I guess its only for serial loop usage?

Basically my initial thoughts are that this pedal is a great value for what it does. I think its going to replace my DD-20 but I need more time to be sure. I like the size. Its about 2/3 the size of a DD-20. For me, I dont need to spend the $400 on an Eventide because I dont need the extra features to justify the cost. If you want a hi-fi digital delay in a small box at a pretty good price, you should at least check this thing out. Maybe you'll hear what donbarzini does and it wont be for you, but I recommend you give it a listen if youre in the market for a digital delay stompbox.

-Matt
 
Great to hear Matt...I am ordering one to do a side by side with the 2290!
 
donbarzini":58d19 said:
Jeff Hilligan":58d19 said:
Great to hear Matt...I am ordering one to do a side by side with the 2290!

Great! Everybody gang up on me now :gethim:

Its all good..no ganging up here! Just gonna check it out since we have the 2290 to compare it to!
 
Thanks Matt,thats more of the review I was thinking of.Hows the Erect,My SL2 ought to be in this afternoon,Let us know more about that TC,maybe module/effect swap huh? :lol: :LOL:
 
Thanks Matt! I really want to check this one out!

I would love to have chorus and delay in one pedal though and I even thought of the Yamaha UD Stomp for this reason! The UD stomp is supposed to be stellar.

What about the Jacques Prisoner delay? That has chorus as well. Also the Visual Sound pedal has both as well. Let us know how the chorus or modulation works for you.
 
Jeff Hilligan":87cc4 said:
donbarzini":87cc4 said:
Jeff Hilligan":87cc4 said:
Great to hear Matt...I am ordering one to do a side by side with the 2290!

Great! Everybody gang up on me now :gethim:

Its all good..no ganging up here! Just gonna check it out since we have the 2290 to compare it to!

Jeff,

If you guys want to fly me out to the amp lounge, Id be happy to bring the Nova Delay along! Or I could loan it to you guys and maybe you could mod my MHG to X specs... :D :lol: :LOL:

-Matt
 
richedie":bd924 said:
Thanks Matt! I really want to check this one out!

I would love to have chorus and delay in one pedal though and I even thought of the Yamaha UD Stomp for this reason! The UD stomp is supposed to be stellar.

What about the Jacques Prisoner delay? That has chorus as well. Also the Visual Sound pedal has both as well. Let us know how the chorus or modulation works for you.

Never heard it but I dont think the Jacques delay is line level. I refuse to run my delay anywhere but the loop so thats a dealbreaker for me.

-Matt
 
Know anything about the Line 6 delay? My friend who is a guitar tech has this pedal for sale. I believe Bruce said this edal will work in his loop. I still think the Yamaha UD would be the way to go!

Having options and modulated delay is nice so the TC might be the one but the Line 6 looks interesting. How much is the TC new? $250? I can get the Line 6 cheap. I was thinking the Yamaha UD would solve all my issues though.
 
richedie":9d245 said:
I was thinking the Yamaha UD would solve all my issues though.

Their getting hard to find! I think your right though, It has midi for one; you could use your amp foot switch to control it or even use the UD to control your amp.
 
I didn't realize the UD had midi - that would be great assuming the chorus and other modulations. Sees complicated or involves programming like rack units. I tend to go for simple these days. I would be happy as well if I found a reverb/delay unit.

I think for my current band all I really need is a simple, basic delay pedal that will work in the MOD 50 loop...preferrably something used under $100. I can look at more elaborate setups later. The only odd effect I use now is a rotary and I just simulate that with a fast chorus.
 
As far as I know, the cheapest thing that will work in MOD 50 loop but that is also still a great unit is the Boss DD-20. You can probably get a real clean one for $150. Hey, maybe you can get mine for that amount? ;) :lol: :LOL:

-Matt
 
richedie":28a27 said:
How about a Line 6 delay? TC Vintage Delay????

The Line 6 DL4 or something? Ive heard its good, but never tried one. Dont know anything about the TC Vintage Delay.

-Matt
 
So.... last night wasnt such a good night for the Nova Delay. At rehearsal it seemed to have some issues. First, the tap tempo didnt want to work. I would tap out a tempo and the pedal would do nothing. Then, when I teld down the tap tempo button to try to set using the "audio tap tempo", when I took my foot off the pedal, all I saw was the display show a real fast countdown all the way from 2290ms to 1ms. It was so strange. Now, I dont know what the hell Im doing wrong, but this scares me for gigs. I cant have to deal with stuff like this (never did with my Boss). When I went into preset mode, then back to manual it worked. Maybe I activated something I didnt want to or something, but I sure as hell didnt like what was going on.

THEN (and this is worse), periodically I would hear some digital distortion on my repeats on the clean channel. NOT good. It would consistently do it, and then not. Off and on. Im not sure what the hell happened last night, but midway through I swapped out to my DD-20 and of course had no problems.

For the tap tempo, its true might just not know what Im doing, but I cannot find any documentation at the TC site of this rapid display countdown business. But even if that can be resolved, the dealbreaker will probably be the digitally distorted repeats. This was not my imagination and the other guitarist noticed it too.

The delays themselves usually sound great, but this is all not sitting with me as a gig-ready unit and its probably going back. In reality, I was perfectly happy with the Boss before I even heard of this thing, then GAS set in and of course I had to try it.

All I know is that I could drop a brick on DD-20 and it would still work like a champ and sound great for a gig...

-Matt
 
EWSEthan":21870 said:
So.... last night wasnt such a good night for the Nova Delay. At rehearsal it seemed to have some issues. First, the tap tempo didnt want to work. I would tap out a tempo and the pedal would do nothing. Then, when I teld down the tap tempo button to try to set using the "audio tap tempo", when I took my foot off the pedal, all I saw was the display show a real fast countdown all the way from 2290ms to 1ms. It was so strange. Now, I dont know what the hell Im doing wrong, but this scares me for gigs. I cant have to deal with stuff like this (never did with my Boss). When I went into preset mode, then back to manual it worked. Maybe I activated something I didnt want to or something, but I sure as hell didnt like what was going on.

THEN (and this is worse), periodically I would hear some digital distortion on my repeats on the clean channel. NOT good. It would consistently do it, and then not. Off and on. Im not sure what the hell happened last night, but midway through I swapped out to my DD-20 and of course had no problems.

For the tap tempo, its true might just not know what Im doing, but I cannot find any documentation at the TC site of this rapid display countdown business. But even if that can be resolved, the dealbreaker will probably be the digitally distorted repeats. This was not my imagination and the other guitarist noticed it too.

The delays themselves usually sound great, but this is all not sitting with me as a gig-ready unit and its probably going back. In reality, I was perfectly happy with the Boss before I even heard of this thing, then GAS set in and of course I had to try it.

All I know is that I could drop a brick on DD-20 and it would still work like a champ and sound great for a gig...

-Matt
That sucks Matt,were the settings the same at rehearsal as you had at home?
 
Comment son digital distortion scare me....and that was another reason i was considering analog.
 
I really want to know if the Jacques Prisoner chorus accepts +4! I want that thing.
 
EWSEthan":464c0 said:
So.... last night wasnt such a good night for the Nova Delay. At rehearsal it seemed to have some issues. First, the tap tempo didnt want to work. I would tap out a tempo and the pedal would do nothing. Then, when I teld down the tap tempo button to try to set using the "audio tap tempo", when I took my foot off the pedal, all I saw was the display show a real fast countdown all the way from 2290ms to 1ms. It was so strange. Now, I dont know what the hell Im doing wrong, but this scares me for gigs. I cant have to deal with stuff like this (never did with my Boss). When I went into preset mode, then back to manual it worked. Maybe I activated something I didnt want to or something, but I sure as hell didnt like what was going on.

THEN (and this is worse), periodically I would hear some digital distortion on my repeats on the clean channel. NOT good. It would consistently do it, and then not. Off and on. Im not sure what the hell happened last night, but midway through I swapped out to my DD-20 and of course had no problems.

For the tap tempo, its true might just not know what Im doing, but I cannot find any documentation at the TC site of this rapid display countdown business. But even if that can be resolved, the dealbreaker will probably be the digitally distorted repeats. This was not my imagination and the other guitarist noticed it too.

The delays themselves usually sound great, but this is all not sitting with me as a gig-ready unit and its probably going back. In reality, I was perfectly happy with the Boss before I even heard of this thing, then GAS set in and of course I had to try it.

All I know is that I could drop a brick on DD-20 and it would still work like a champ and sound great for a gig...

-Matt
WOW donbarzini was RIGHT,apologies,I realy like TCs stuff,I was hoping this was a good delay,especially for the price :confused:
 
I want small and analog so maybe I'll get the Maxon AD-9 Pro.

If I run it in the loop, do I need to loop it on the pedalboard as well? For example, two cables going from the pedal to and from the pedalboard and two from the pedalboard to the amp?
 
Is there anything the Nova can do that the DD-20 can not? If so, I would probably just get the DD-20. I like the simplicity of having my Jacques Meistersinger chorus(was thinking of getting a Boss Dimension C however) but it is nice having versatility so in looking for a delay the DD-20 seems nice.

I was looking at analog delays for a fatter sound but they are all so expensive and limited. The DD-20 seems to do so much, even a chorus or flange type effect I bet if you tweak the delay shorter with some modulation speed and depth tweaking.

I know guys who run the DD-6 into the front of the MOD50 but I play a lot of high gain music and it makes more sense to have the delay in the loop for me….which limits my options.

Heck, maybe someday I’ll get a Yamaha UD-Stomp.

Anyone compare the DD-20 to the Line 6 DL-4? Which is smaller in size?

Thanks!
 
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