The most EPIC New Gear Day Ever... (for lil' ole' me anyway)

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A lot of gear in and out this past couple days, I've managed to acquire all this by trading...and it all came in today, I picked up the cab in person though. I found a guy who had a almost brand new VH-4 and wanted to try a Herbert... a guy who wanted a Mesa cab for recording and traded me straight up for his brand new Mills Afterburner, it's loaded with 2 V30's and 2 K100's in an X-pattern, and I traded my older Les Paul Studio for a brand new EC-1000, I abso-fucking-lutely HATE the EMG's in it, I haven't even play it much because I despise them so much, but I have owned one in the past, and I know it's a good player, pickups are next. I also have a Tech-21 MIDI Moose on the way, it has gotten awesome reviews and it nice and simple and built like a tank...that will be here tomorrow.

I'll do a quick mini-review of the VH-4, as some of you know I traded my Herbert for it, the only reason I got the Herbert in the first place because I knew i would get me closer to a VH-4 (which it did) but I wasn't planning on loving the Herbert so damned much, I ALMOST didn't do the trade, but FourT2 made some clips for me that put me over the edge, and I am EXTREMELY glad that I did... I suppose this review will be a bit of a comparison between the Herbie and VH-4 but I'll try and keep it separate as well...

Vh-4 Channel 1: A very straight forward clean channel with a normal or bright switch, no where near as good as the clean on the Herbert (which is the best I've played) but it is still a great clean channel none-the-less, has an awesome compression going on, all the notes come out very even and for my band and my needs that is absolutely awesome, I have the treble dialed up pretty high trying to get it to sound a bit like the super sparkly chimey cleans of the Herbert, it doesn't quite get there, but it sounds great regardless.

VH-4 Channel 2: I find this channel extremely lacking, even dissapointing, I don't play the type of music this channel would get me into, and this is hard to put into words, but regardless of where I put the gain or any of the settings the channels seems like it's missing something, almost that the channel WANTS something more to be added to it, like I said I don't know how to put it into words... I will honestly probably never use this channel...

VH-4 Channel 3: I'll try not to gush too much about this channel since everybody does, I will just say there is a reason that so many people praise this channel, if this amp was a 1 channel amp and only had this channel I would be satisfied, absolutely incredible, unique sound that I can't really compare to anything I've heard/played in the past...very compressed though, in fact the entire amp is...

CH-4 Channel 4: Stupid amount of gain on tap, can be rolled off to be a convincing rhythm tone but the channel is extremely compressed... the Herbert has the VH-4 beat for leads as well, but even still, channel 3 on the VH-4 makes up for all of the shortcomings...

The one big gripe I have about the VH-4 is the MIDI switchable loop is parallel, it works great, but the effects don't seem 100% there, also, the lack of a second master volume like the Herbert... for me personally and my applications for the amp with my band the Herbert has better features... all I can say is that I fucking want both now, but I am going to hang onto the VH-4 for good... I only just wish I could own both.

The Mills cab: "Holy Shit".... that's about the extent of the review, massive, clear, tight, fills the entire room, breathtaking... end of story...

No review on the guitar, it is what it is and does it's just just as expected, although I was curious if my tried and true JB/59' combo would sound good with the guitar even though it lack's the Maple cap, my other EC-1000 had these passives and sounded great, will the lack of maple on the top make a difference?

I actually had the idea of filming the entire delivery/unpacking process, I always like when people take pics of them opening packages so I thought I would take a video, I even said "Oh Hai UPS man" to the driver when he came to the door LoL, but like an idiot I tried opening everything with one hand and holding the camera with the other instead of just setting the cam down on the tri-pod, so the vid came out WAYYY to long, so you guys get the regular boring pics instead....

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Yo M'Man...!!

THANK YOU for the awesome update... Interesting opinions on the varied channels of the V. But the one most resounding critique given was the one I was looking for - the Mills cabinet. Another amazing review from another super satisfied client. I think I'm next - a 2x12 oversize in white tolex to match a white Einy. Just depends on what cones I can get in there :yes:

But brilliant review - thanks for taking the time to write it up. I gotta tell ya, Channel 2 is a channel that grows on you, and in part, the axs you're playing through are slightly to blame. That EMG loaded non-maple top ax is NOTHING good for Channel 2. To get into it, WOOD makes a HOOOOOGE difference in the sonic nuances of any guitar, especially going through such a detailed amp as the V, or even the Herbster. Herbie digs active pups like the EMG, I find my V does "okay" with them, sure, they're meant for sterile metal compressed tone - but to me, TONE comes from good ol' wound pups on bright sounding or brown sounding wood (maple and mahogany respectively). Give it time on #2 and you may grow to love it - and do crank it, it blossoms past 12 o'clock.

Anyway - stop reading and get back to playing. Congrats on the new gear. Bottom line, now that you have both - which is the one you'd take to your grave, the Herbert or the V...?? I'm STILL toying with the idea of buying a Herb, but there's GOT to me some limits out there - I mean, how many Diezels can I own??? DON'T ANSWER THAT PEOPLE!!!!! Because I KNOW the answer is - not enough.

Powerchords - Peace - and Pollyanna...
V.
 
I don't own both, I had to trade the Herbert to try out the VH-4, but I have absolutely no regrets... I do wish I could own both though, I sincerely thought i was going to prefer one over the other but now I just want both... as for the new ESP, as I started in the thread (at least I think I did) i effing hate EMG's and the review of channel 2, actually the entire basis of the review of the VH-4 period was all done with my Les Paul, it sounds amazing, channel 2 just had this feeling like it was begging to be pushed harder then I could push it, very strange, I still don't know how to accurately describe what i want to say, anyhow, did you get my PM? I went a bit more in depth then I did in the original review Lol, take care man.
 
I disagree about ch. 2. Max the gain, bright switch on and turn down the treble to 10:00. Add a good amount of mids and it's
the best hot rodded Marshall ever. Even at lower gain levels it to my ears get more like a JTM 45 vibe. It can also take boost pedals
better than any Marshall I ever played. It's a hidden gem on the VH4.
 
Man...I also heard some not so good things about Channel 2 before I got my VH4 and like the previous poster stated (and oddly I use pretty much that exact eq),I was very thrilled to find that channel 2 is one of the ballsiest overdrives ever. I don't think people are spending enough time with it. The VH4 is the best amp I have ever played. Channel 4 is a little much for the style I play, but man that amp is awesome. I will never sell it. Can't wait to get my MIDI fixed so I can play this thing live.
 
MARK2C":3cl9hgf2 said:
I disagree about ch. 2. Max the gain, bright switch on and turn down the treble to 10:00. Add a good amount of mids and it's
the best hot rodded Marshall ever. Even at lower gain levels it to my ears get more like a JTM 45 vibe. It can also take boost pedals
better than any Marshall I ever played. It's a hidden gem on the VH4.

I'll give it a shot in the morning, I just got done jamming and wore the skin off 2 of my fingers, that was a solid 4 hours of tonal bliss almost, for the first time EVER I knocked a picture frame off the wall, awesoe :rock: :rock:
 
Mizati20":3749f5bh said:
MARK2C":3749f5bh said:
I disagree about ch. 2. Max the gain, bright switch on and turn down the treble to 10:00. Add a good amount of mids and it's
the best hot rodded Marshall ever. Even at lower gain levels it to my ears get more like a JTM 45 vibe. It can also take boost pedals
better than any Marshall I ever played. It's a hidden gem on the VH4.

I'll give it a shot in the morning, I just got done jamming and wore the skin off 2 of my fingers, that was a solid 4 hours of tonal bliss almost, for the first time EVER I knocked a picture frame off the wall, awesoe :rock: :rock:

Welcome to the family, my friend. A hi-performance amp demands a hi-performance cab. It IS that simple. Have fun and be careful where you aim that rig :rock:

Dave
 
Mizati20":2iqciw5s said:
a guy who wanted a Mesa cab for recording and traded me straight up for his brand new Mills Afterburner,

To say you got the better deal is an understatement !
 
You can see why some of us said run with the Herbster... Not that the VH4 is inferior, but that one isn't really any better than the other. I will say I couldn't do without the 2nd master volume and the mid cut section is just a must have feature to me.

So would you say that the Herbert's Ch2 -/+ feature pretty much covers channel 2 & 3 on the VH4 or not?


Great move on the cab trade. Should hold you over great until you have the cash for a Diezel FL cab. :thumbsup:
 
The VH4's Ch. 2 has much more gain on tap than the Herbert's 2 -, but more than the VH4 on Herbert's 2+.
Herberts 2+ with the gain at 3-4:00 is slick, greasy and high gain. Tapping and alternate picking on this channel
can make a deaf, blind one handed guy sound like a pro. :rock:
 
Nice. And hey, I told you the VH4 was crazy compressed. :) I, too, wish I could own both. But, after playing the Herbert again the other day, I decided I really didn't need both and the VH4 is plenty for me. Quick tip: I dislike EMGs ad well. However, if you put the 85 in the bridge and the 81 in the neck, and rock out on CH3 with a good amount of mids, it's a pretty heavy sound that's still dynamic. But, it depends on the type of music you're playing.
 
FourT6and2":2owu6nvc said:
Nice. And hey, I told you the VH4 was crazy compressed. :) I, too, wish I could own both. But, after playing the Herbert again the other day, I decided I really didn't need both and the VH4 is plenty for me. Quick tip: I dislike EMGs ad well. However, if you put the 85 in the bridge and the 81 in the neck, and rock out on CH3 with a good amount of mids, it's a pretty heavy sound that's still dynamic. But, it depends on the type of music you're playing.

I don't mind the compression at all, it's just a huge change coming from a Mark V which shows just about EVERY nuance in our playing, with this I can play really softly or really dig into the strings and the sound stays pretty even... for just jamming I'm not a fan of the compression, but for my band situation and playing live it's a godsend... anyhow, my ESP came with 81/60, I've never heard of anyone putting a 60 in the bridge... seems to be strictly a neck pickup, I could absolutely care less though, I can't get the EMG's out of this thing fast enough LoL, it's a killer player tho (the esp).

Absolutely loving the VH-4, BTW those vids you made for me is def what put me over the top and made me take the p;unge, and I'm glad I did, like I said previously though I much prefer the serial switchable loop and 2nd master volume setup on the Herbert... the channel loops on the VH-4 are good on paper, and theoretically a cool idea, but I find them completely not practical to use unless I have some type of rack setup, hopefully in the future, I'm aiming for something along the line of Andy Wood's rack setup, probably with a G-major and just a normal midi control though instead of the entire G-system...
 
MARK2C":3ps1mxtj said:
I disagree about ch. 2. Max the gain, bright switch on and turn down the treble to 10:00. Add a good amount of mids and it's
the best hot rodded Marshall ever. Even at lower gain levels it to my ears get more like a JTM 45 vibe. It can also take boost pedals
better than any Marshall I ever played. It's a hidden gem on the VH4.


I agree. Ch2 was probably the channel that had the most mystery around it for me before buying my VH4 and was excited to give it a burl. It does ACDC pretty fuckin well, even with EMG's :lol: :LOL:, but cranking the gain to about 8 got me into heavier Gunners territory and was pretty impressive, an excellent channel - so versatile.

Congrats on all the new gear! Great stuff.
 
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