The New Egnater Product I Most Want To See...

[dfrattaroli]

It just occurred to me. I've always wondered if I'd be happier with a Mod50 vs. the M4/poweramp rig. But I could never be happy with just 2 modules. The Mod100 was a step in the right direction but still only 3 modules.

The TourMaster has 4 channels. So how about a Mod4? Four modules, 100 watts, MIDI, density, presence, serial loop. I know price could be an issue but if that could be done for around the same price as the Mod100, say $3200, it'd be tough to beat.

And no, a Mod50 with the E2 is not the same thing. I want 100 wants and not have to add rack gear to the head.

It's not implausible. There are 4 channel amps out there. It would kill.

Dave

 

[guitarslinger]

good idea.

I would like to see Egnater-branded FX units that are perfectly tailored for their amps and preamps. built-in line mixers, maybe??

 

[mctallica1]

I am fairly certain I read on the MTS forum that Randall was experimenting with FX modules. Not sure how that would work, but seems like a pretty cool concept.

 

[Rod]

I'd love to see a Mod 50 head that would take 4 modules.....I would buy one in a heartbeat.....Last amp I'd ever own.....8 sounds on the footswitch...just what I need....

 

[muudrock]

I doubt we will see a 4 module Mod 50 or Mod 100. That would require a complete redesign of the series. With the upcoming E2 you will have the extra 4 channels available to any amp plus a stand-alone preamp if you want to use that way.

FX modules are an interesting concept. I would like to see something like that.

 

[dfrattaroli]

I doubt we will see a 4 module Mod 50 or Mod 100. That would require a complete redesign of the series.

Why? We're talking about adding redundant circuitry to support the extra mods.

 

[muudrock]

I doubt we will see a 4 module Mod 50 or Mod 100. That would require a complete redesign of the series.

Why? We're talking about adding redundant circuitry to support the extra mods.

I doubt it's that simple. The circuit boards would all most likely need redesigned because the form factor of the amp has changed. New Midi board design, New main board design, brand new module board.

Also:
-redesign the chassis to accect 2 or 1 more modules
-redesign the headbox
-size of the head gets too big.
-Would be completing with themselves on the M4 and E2
-The cost to the buyer would be huge. Mod50 is already well over $2000. Would you pay $3000+ for a 50 watt head? I'm not sure enough people would to justify all the R&D and costs associated with it.
Plus, They spent all this time developing the E2 which addresses the need of adding more modules to your rig.

IMO, I can put an M4 in a rack with a single space pwr amp for less money and a smaller package.

Just my opinions on it, but doesn't seem to make much business sense to change the head series this way.

 

[dfrattaroli]

I doubt we will see a 4 module Mod 50 or Mod 100. That would require a complete redesign of the series.

Why? We're talking about adding redundant circuitry to support the extra mods.

I doubt it's that simple. The circuit boards would all most likely need redesigned because the form factor of the amp has changed. New Midi board design, New main board design, brand new module board.

Also:
-redesign the chassis to accect 2 or 1 more modules
-redesign the headbox
-size of the head gets too big.
-Would be completing with themselves on the M4 and E2
-The cost to the buyer would be huge. Mod50 is already well over $2000. Would you pay $3000+ for a 50 watt head? I'm not sure enough people would to justify all the R&D and costs associated with it.
Plus, They spent all this time developing the E2 which addresses the need of adding more modules to your rig.

IMO, I can put an M4 in a rack with a single space pwr amp for less money and a smaller package.

Just my opinions on it, but doesn't seem to make much business sense to change the head series this way.

Those are valid points although I think some are all or partially already done: IE the head box. We're looking at something like the TM's design. I think it would compete with other heads not the existing Eggie stuff. But I do agree it should be 100 watts. It's not a crazy idea. There are other 4 channel 100 watt heads.

 

[jkdsteve]

Three words... Egnater Power Amp!

Couple that with the M4 and we're good...and before someone suggest the RT2/50..it does not sound as good as the MOD50....not even close...plus I'd look for some Innovative features from Bruce..like maybe power grid or (MIDI) switchable voicings to better match modules, change feel and output etc.

 

[dfrattaroli]

Three words... Egnater Power Amp!

But what about the head "mojo"?

 

[muudrock]

Three words... Egnater Power Amp!

Couple that with the M4 and we're good...and before someone suggest the RT2/50..it does not sound as good as the MOD50....not even close...

I gotta disagree with that. The RT2/50 sounds every bit as good as my Mod 50 and Mod 100--I'd even say in certain situations, it sounds better suited for the application for that matter--switchable tubes.
All 3 do not sound alike, but they all sound excellent. In my current rig, I have the Mod 50 and M4. The M4 is powered by an RT 2/50 and the head is on its own--both thru identical cabs and speakers. I switch between the 2 via an RG 16 and in most cases, the 2 sound enough alike, you would have a hard time guessing which one it was if your couldn't see it.
Yes, heads tend to have a slightly different feel, but I wouldn't say "better". It's all personal preference.

As to the new Eggie power amp...I am very interested in this based off of what Jeff has said about so far.

 

[muudrock]

I doubt we will see a 4 module Mod 50 or Mod 100. That would require a complete redesign of the series.

Why? We're talking about adding redundant circuitry to support the extra mods.

I doubt it's that simple. The circuit boards would all most likely need redesigned because the form factor of the amp has changed. New Midi board design, New main board design, brand new module board.

Also:
-redesign the chassis to accect 2 or 1 more modules
-redesign the headbox
-size of the head gets too big.
-Would be completing with themselves on the M4 and E2
-The cost to the buyer would be huge. Mod50 is already well over $2000. Would you pay $3000+ for a 50 watt head? I'm not sure enough people would to justify all the R&D and costs associated with it.
Plus, They spent all this time developing the E2 which addresses the need of adding more modules to your rig.

IMO, I can put an M4 in a rack with a single space pwr amp for less money and a smaller package.

Just my opinions on it, but doesn't seem to make much business sense to change the head series this way.

Those are valid points although I think some are all or partially already done: IE the head box. We're looking at something like the TM's design. I think it would compete with other heads not the existing Eggie stuff. But I do agree it should be 100 watts. It's not a crazy idea. There are other 4 channel 100 watt heads.

I personally would love something like that. Hell, I have 3 modular Egnater's now and will probably get the E2 when it comes out. But, with the modular amps, to add additional module capability, you are talking about adding functionality that was not in the original design. That would be alot of work redoing all the work they've already done with the design.
Yes, there are other 4 channel heads there, but none of them are modular. They were all fresh new designs. It's just not an easy process to change the inherent design of a product once it's been out on the market, i.e. Mod series amps.
I would also wonder if there is a big enough request for that to make it worth while for Egnater.

 

[marvcus]

As to the new Eggie power amp...I am very interested in this based off of what Jeff has said about so far.

+1 - If this power amp is matched to the Modular line like we all expect, this will the THE power amp for the M4 & E2. I have staved off buying at least 2 crazy cheap RT/250s waiting for the Egnater power amp. Hoping the patience pays off...

 

[jmgman69]

Three words... Egnater Power Amp!

Couple that with the M4 and we're good...and before someone suggest the RT2/50..it does not sound as good as the MOD50....not even close...

I gotta disagree with that. The RT2/50 sounds every bit as good as my Mod 50 and Mod 100--I'd even say in certain situations, it sounds better suited for the application for that matter--switchable tubes.
All 3 do not sound alike, but they all sound excellent. In my current rig, I have the Mod 50 and M4. The M4 is powered by an RT 2/50 and the head is on its own--both thru identical cabs and speakers. I switch between the 2 via an RG 16 and in most cases, the 2 sound enough alike, you would have a hard time guessing which one it was if your couldn't see it.
Yes, heads tend to have a slightly different feel, but I wouldn't say "better". It's all personal preference.

As to the new Eggie power amp...I am very interested in this based off of what Jeff has said about so far.

I agee with this 100%

 

[Rod]

Well, if my 4 module 50 watt head design is out of the question, how about a 3 module 50 watter.....Like the discontinued 100 watt, except 50 watts????

 

[Chris R]

Yes, heads tend to have a slightly different feel, but I wouldn't say "better". It's all personal preference.

I don't have experience with a preamp/poweramp combo. But, I heard this many times when I was shopping. It was the deciding factor for me. Had there been a Mod50 split into a preamp/poweramp (keeping the standard 19 inch rack space form) or M4/Mod50 power section combo that captured the "mojo" that everyone speaks of, I would have chosen it over the head for versatility and ease of transport.

I wound up building my own head/rack combo to house everything because I couldn't find anything that was within my budget that had the features/functions I wanted. But, it's big and bulky and I can't use it for backlines unless I am able to just get a cabinet. I certainly would have spent more to have the versatility of a 4 module preamp, rack gear and pedals separate for those gigs if the poweramp route still had the feel of the head. Not to mention the stereo possibilities. I'll most likely not have both setups side by side to hear and feel any difference. Just my .02

I'm totally satisfied with the Mod50. But, you're right... The clips I've heard of the M4/RT are really good, and I wouldn't be able to tell that they came from a M4/RT vs. a head.

My votes: I'd like an E2 with a Shiva voiced module, the SLX and a 20 watt "mojed" poweramp with an attenuator/slave out to prove me wrong and not require a dolly to transport the rig ...

Oh, and balanced, line level, reverb and/or delay in a pedal form factor for the parallel loop.

 

[tonesponge]

I'd rather see an M1 that is configured as a pedal on the floor and accepts one module. I envision an instrument cable from the M1 to the amp input, another instrument cable from the effects loop out to the M1, and yet another instrument cable from the M1 to the effects loop in. The amp footswitch plugs into the M1, and there is a footswitch cable running from the M1 to the amp footswitch jack. The M1 has one footswitch button for selecting that module as the preamp and deselecting the ones on the amp. When you actuate the amp footswitch for the amp, the M1 takes the M1's preamp out of the loop, and selects the appropriate preamp module on the amp. Voila, you have an extra channel. For still another channel, add another M1 daisy chained with the first one. Win.

 

[dfrattaroli]

I have to imagine that Bruce and Jeff are reading this thread and saying things like:

Bruce: "Would you look at the crap these a-holes are dreaming up?! You can never make anyone happy huh Jeff?"
Jeff: "I hate RockStarNick. And that Fazzoli guy. I'm hungry."

 

[guitarslinger]

I'd rather see an M1 that is configured as a pedal on the floor and accepts one module. I envision an instrument cable from the M1 to the amp input, another instrument cable from the effects loop out to the M1, and yet another instrument cable from the M1 to the effects loop in. The amp footswitch plugs into the M1, and there is a footswitch cable running from the M1 to the amp footswitch jack. The M1 has one footswitch button for selecting that module as the preamp and deselecting the ones on the amp. When you actuate the amp footswitch for the amp, the M1 takes the M1's preamp out of the loop, and selects the appropriate preamp module on the amp. Voila, you have an extra channel. For still another channel, add another M1 daisy chained with the first one. Win.

Or, simplify it more, how about an M1 with guitar input, and a pair of outputs switchable between instrument level and line level.

Plug into any fx return, or a clean amp input, and you have egnater preamp tone.

I'm thinking, you could show up at a gig with just a vx or sl loaded m1, and beat the shit out of everyone else, tonally.

 

[jlbaxe]

The RM100 dual mod, 3 modules, pull the outer tubes.....BAM 50 watts. If they build the Mod50 with 4 mod slots then all of you that would be happy would want a mod50 with 6 mod slots because then that would be the best end all and better than any 4 ch amp. when will it end.

I have the Rmod100, Mod50 2 M4s and 2 RT2/50 amps and they all have their special feel. The RT2/50 is a top shelf amp and very versatile.

Im sure when the E2 and new 1 space power amp comes out i will be getting them also.

I have a huge double frige size rack and seem to only play out of my Mod 50 lately. Im sure I will favor the M100 after Jeff sends it back.

Been thinking about a second Modded RM100 also.