The old question ... Herbert or Vh4

[Zakk]

Hey I hope im not getting on your nervers ...

So Im looking forward to get a new amp in a few month
So my question is which amp deals better with my style of playing the herbert or the vh4.

At the moment Im playing in a metalcore band and i love that heavy "chuga chuga" but the singing ??? ..... but that's not all i love joe satrianis sound and his songs are just awesome to play (: also i want good bright clean because i like to improvise a bit funky or jazzy stuff

so i know im makeing high demands on the amps but they are expensive soo i have the right to ( )

to sum up :

- Metal (-core)
- Joe Satriani (lead sounds)
- optional Dream Theater and Metallica
- and sounds for some warm and slow stuff (:

i know the amps will not give me the exact sound but i dont want it i only want to be in the area of the sounds

mfg
Zakk

 

[Duolos]

Both would work wonderfully. Herbert has a bit more sag and saturation. VH4 is a bit more articulate and tighter. Either amp covers those styles and more easily. I know this doesn't answer for you which one but in all sincerity, either one would work great.

 

[the_music]

I decided to go with the Herbert in my metalcore-band.

 

[Anonymous]

Zakk,
You are flipping a "two-headed" coin and calling "Heads". In other words, you cannot lose with either the VH4, or the Herbert.
If you live anywhere near a dealer, trying them out will answer most of your questions.
I have owned both amps, but don't play metal at all. Both amps proved to do any style I desired extremely well. Don't look at any Diezel as an amp made only for distortion, or a given style of music.

Althought the VH4 is tighter, the Herbert is not a loose, sloppy amp. It is just a tad looser feeling then the tight-feeling VH4.

Both amps have extra effects loops for specific channel effects needed. While the VH4 has four independent channels and a global master volume which also has the ability to get power tube saturation, which can be used by itself or mixed with some preamp distortion, the Herbert has a mid-shift dial which may be used on all channels, and makes the tonal offerings really as flexible as the VH4 has. There are other things about each amp that offer flexibilty, but no Deizel amp is a one-trick pony. They are all really, REALLY capable of playing so many styles.

If you play more metal and need the extra thump offered from the Herbert, you will get it, but the same amp can do beautiful articulate jazz runs all day and sound terrific. The controls built into Diezel amps allows them to all shine through.

One amp model by Diezel is no "better" then the next, just different, depending on your personal applicaton of the amp in your music.

Think about how loud you will be playing, how much bottom you want and other things that you need from an amp. One Diezel may be slightly better for your needs, but deciding blindly, you still cannot lose here.

 

[King Crimson]

VH4 is a bit more articulate and tighter.

What!?!

 

[FourT6and2]

VH4 is a bit more articulate and tighter.

What!?!

True story. VH4 rocks! The Herbert is great, too. For me, though, the VH4 has more balls than the Herbert, especially when driven hard. I think the VH4 is a tad more articulate because of how tight it is.

 

[Zakk]

thank you for all these posts

i want a big bottom and it should should sound yeah wide and of course a lot of gain reserve so thats it

zakk

 

[FourT6and2]

thank you for all these posts

i want a big bottom and it should should sound yeah wide and of course a lot of gain reserve so thats it

zakk

Again, both amps will get you that. But, it's a matter of feel and personal taste. Which one is better for you? You'll have to play them to find out.

 

[Anonymous]

Zakk,
As I am reading through this thread, and seeing that you want a big bottom with plenty of reserve saturation, keep in mind that the speakers and cab you will be using for either the VH4 or the Herbert will make a BIG difference in how the tone is presented.

Diezel has updated the construction of their speaker cabs to better deliver the complete Diezel tones you will be using the cab for in both a front loaded and rear loaded cab type. Each type of cab (front or rear loaded) offer something different in how the sound is projected out to the audience.

You need to consider the speakers and the cab, and not to sound as a commercial here, but a Diezel cab will better match your new head then any I can think of a present.

Many players here and elsewhere have tried other cabs but most here will agree that the newest Diezel cabs with the correct choice of speaker, is what you should consider to get the most from your amp.

It's really the best advice I can offer you on speakers and cabs as I'm sure you will hear from others here as well.

Do your homework on speakers and cabs and ask questions.

 

[scottph]

thank you for all these posts

i want a big bottom and it should should sound yeah wide and of course a lot of gain reserve so thats it

zakk

Herbert with a Diezel fl cab.

 

[King Crimson]

VH4 rocks! The Herbert is great, too. For me, though, the VH4 has more balls than the Herbert,...

F', do you own one of those clocks that you tack to the wall where a little birdy pops out at the top of the hour to wake you up?

More balls? I think your birdy is getting ready, again.

 

[Empire Prod]

I recently got a VH4 and man...I am sooooo glad I did. I have owned a lot of heads in my day, but I can't remember enjoying one so much. Channel 3 is just awesome. The head has power, flexibility, and most importantly tone. I have been producing/engineering for over the last decade, and the Diezel VH4 really brought the itch back to play guitar again.

 

[FourT6and2]

VH4 rocks! The Herbert is great, too. For me, though, the VH4 has more balls than the Herbert,...

F', do you own one of those clocks that you tack to the wall where a little birdy pops out at the top of the hour to wake you up?

More balls? I think your birdy is getting ready, again.

You're not making much sense, here. I've played both amps side-by-side and that's what I found.

 

[Obiwan]

If you want to make your guitar sing in a more let's say vintage way: get the vh4
If you want to make you guitar sing in a more let's say modern way: get the herbie
If you want to kill small animals: get the vh4
If you want to kill big animals, your neighbours and perhaps also your mother in law: get the herbert
If you want to sound from gentle and honeylike to mean and angry: get the vh4
If you want to sound from gentle and honeylike to mean, angry and nuclear overkill of every living existence on planet earth: get the herbert.

Both cleans are amazing, though the herbie's impressed me more, especially with the engaged midcut.

If you are in a band with two guitars, the vh4 might sound a little more dominant while the herbie may sound better when played alone (though also the herbie doesn't drown in a bands context)

Though decision, but you can't go wrong anyway as both are cream of the crop (hope this is the correct english expression).

AND DON'T FORGET THE CABINET ISSUE, I EXPERIENCED THIS BY MYSELF!! WHAT STATED IN THE COMMENTS BEFORE ON THIS MATTER COULD NOT BE MORE TRUE!!

 

[King Crimson]

If you want to make your guitar sing in a more let's say vintage way: get the vh4
If you want to make you guitar sing in a more let's say modern way: get the herbie
If you want to kill small animals: get the vh4
If you want to kill big animals, your neighbours and perhaps also your mother in law: get the herbert
If you want to sound from gentle and honeylike to mean and angry: get the vh4
If you want to sound from gentle and honeylike to mean, angry and nuclear overkill of every living existence on planet earth: get the herbert.

 

[Bato]

I cranked up my presence to 3 o´clock. Now im cutting everything.

For me my Herbert is the best amp i could imagine. There are many very very good amps, but i love my Herbert.
(But i still would like to own a VH4 too )

 

[Zakk]

thank you all for your helpful comments =)

after your comments i think to test them is the only way to discern them

zakk

 

[Zakk]

there are a few new questions

which amp is more acute ( is it right??? or precision?? ) herbie or vh4?
and whats about the schmidt i heard its more dynamic than the others is it true?

zakk

 

[FourT6and2]

there are a few new questions

which amp is more acute ( is it right??? or precision?? ) herbie or vh4?
and whats about the schmidt i heard its more dynamic than the others is it true?

zakk

Acute, precision? I think maybe you mean.... which one is tighter? From my experience, the VH4 is tighter. However, it is also more compressed. The Herbert is a bit looser and is less compressed.

The Schmidt has good dynamics but it's not going to get as high-gain or heavy as the Herbert or VH4.

 

[Ventura]

there are a few new questions

which amp is more acute ( is it right??? or precision?? ) herbie or vh4?
and whats about the schmidt i heard its more dynamic than the others is it true?

zakk

VH4(S) is ultra tight and articulate. Herbert is loud and low and beastly. They're both INCREDIBLE amps. The V tends to have more of that special Diezel tone (don't hate me or flame me for saying that folks...you know it's true), but the Herbie is a beast unto itself and DOES have a remarkable, unique tone as well

I'm in the same boat - only difference is, I'm buying a Herbert now that I have a VH4S I want both, so I'm going to make that a reality.

Peace,
V.