Tim Shaw Pickups; what's the BFD??

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I'm looking at an older Gibson locally and the guy is touting it has the Tim Shaw pick ups in it. These things go for up to $500 for an original set. Aside from maintaining originality (it's already missing the original chainsaw case and is a bit of a beater), why do I want these pickups?? The owner toyed with the idea of pulling the pickups and selling them on ebay and if I can save myself $300 - $400, why not?? I know damn well I'll swap them anyway :lol: :LOL:
 
King Guitar":29wvfrr1 said:
I have a extra chainsaw case if you need one...

I will keep that in mind. Hopefully going to look at the guitar this weekend...
 
Tim Shaws really do have a "warmth" to them. They are excellent pickups and worth giving a try before you swap
 
"Tim Shaw humbuckers" were basically Gibson's first attempt at a re-creation of a vintage PAF. Tim Shaw was the engineer in charge of designing them. Some details they got right, others they didn't (example: he wanted to use a certain kind of wire, and Gibson said "no" because of budget constraints...") From what I've read, they're 42AWG vintage output buckers, with Unoriented Alnico 5 magnets (which, tonally, lie somewhere between A2 and A5).
 
An attempt to get back to the glory days. There are vids of comparisons with them and the genuine old vintage pups, complete with multimeter readings and SM57 mic'ed up clips.

I think they are extremely close. Have a set. And not wanting to sell them so this is not a plug. I am planning to put my set in a 2012 LP plus and see how they like the more dense wood that is chambered as compared to the 100% solid LP they came out of.

That old LP has some MCP Nastee's in it that are sweeeet....
 
The '82 Standard I recently bought had a set of Shaws which I swapped out. They were just too low output for me but they have a great warmth and clarity to them even with high gain. I'm hanging on to them in case I ever sell this axe so I can put it back to stock but I might try them in another axe. If you're looking for a great, clear and warm pup that's a little lower out put I'd highly recommend them.
 
Alright, fine...I'll try them out :D Thanks for the feedback :thumbsup:
 
They are my favorite pickups of all time. The bridge is pure rock and roll and the neck is amazing for both lead and clean tones. These aren't ideal for over the top high gain (as they are un-potted) but are perfect for classic rock and 80's metal.
 
they're fine, but nothing special

had them in a '81 les paul standard
they are very low output compared to some of the modern paf reproductions, specially the dimarzio 36th paf, which a freakin loud pickup
they're good and balanced pickups, but I wouldn't say they are better than common '57 classics
I still liked them better than burstbuckers, though

the prices are high for the historical value, just like t-tops, but not really for the tone
I liked them for mild overdriven lead tones, as they are smooth and low output
cleans are ok, far from great, in my opinion, and they don't hold high gain as well as some other low output pickups
I'd take any bkp, mcp or wcr paf-based set over those

I honestly wouldn't pay much more than a regular gibson pickup for a tim shaw and not even a t-top
more than $100 a piece seems nonsense to me unless you're restoring an old almost stock expensive guitar that you plan to get rid of
I'd get the discount on the guitar without them, since 80's guitars aren't THAT valuable (unless it's a heritage or something custom shop)
that's what I did when I bought my '73 custom and never regretted that
I traded the stock pickups for the international shipping cost, as I already had better pickups to put in
tried several pickup sets in it till I found its soulmates (bkp riff raff in the bridge, bkp mule in the neck)
I'll never sell this guitar, and that's something I never said about anything else :D
if you feel the guitar is a keeper, you don't need to worry about keeping it stock... I'm sure you'll find several better replacements in the same ballpark
 
Steinmetzify":26ep7ish said:
In a 1980 LPC, bro......skip to :45 or so...


these are more likely to be t-tops

like the "tim shaw" on this video, which is actually a late t-top



I feel that t-tops are quackier and less warm than tim shaws
 
What's the BFD could be said about any pickup. Use what you like and don't get caught up in hype. That said, they do sound good.
 
ericsabbath":1v74uopl said:
Steinmetzify":1v74uopl said:
In a 1980 LPC, bro......skip to :45 or so...

these are more likely to be t-tops

like the "tim shaw" on this video, which is actually a late t-top

I feel that t-tops are quackier and less warm than tim shaws

They're Shaws, man....that guy is a stellar dealer, and that guitar is for sale. I've seen it.
 
bigdaddyd":33ngh14g said:
What's the BFD could be said about any pickup. Use what you like and don't get caught up in hype. That said, they do sound good.

I'm not caught up in the hype, which is why I asked the question. If I can buy the guitar without the pickups because they are so coveted and save $300 off the price that's the way I would go. Or buy it with them, check them out and if they suck sell them.
 
Steinmetzify":1142xqjf said:
ericsabbath":1142xqjf said:
Steinmetzify":1142xqjf said:
In a 1980 LPC, bro......skip to :45 or so...

these are more likely to be t-tops

like the "tim shaw" on this video, which is actually a late t-top

I feel that t-tops are quackier and less warm than tim shaws

They're Shaws, man....that guy is a stellar dealer, and that guitar is for sale. I've seen it.

the only way to be sure is by taking a look at the back of the pickups
1980 shaws and t-tops look the same, but t-tops will have an ink stamped date, and shaws will have an ink stamped code
they still used mostly t-tops in that year, as they wouldn't simply ditch the older production pickups
not saying the guy is a scammer by any means
it's just a common confusion and I didn't know that myself until I searched about the ink code thing
I bet there are 81-82 guitars with old spec t-tops as well
by the sound in the video and the guitar production year being 1980, I would guess that's a t-top, but I might be wrong
 
I have an '85 335 that came with the Shaws in it. I dig them. I wouldn't say they're low output but I had an '83 Custom that was super low output, so low I thought something was wrong :lol: :LOL: I swapped the bridge shaw for a 57 classic which is one of my reference pickups and it was more cutting and raw. I'm going to put the Shaw back in because it suits the 335 better. But I wouldn't consider them a dull or non-rockin pickup, just the 57 classic was more raw.

It's like the Klon. Some people would pay amazing amounts of money for that pedal, some couldn't care less. It depends on the buyer.

Here's an old vid I did of my 335. I also use a pedal that I turn off at about 1:15 and back on about 2:22. Sorry about how dark it is.

 
nice tones in the video, skoora

the resonance of a 335 should compensate for the lack of output
 
Thanks...

In my experience with Semi-hollow bodies vs. Solid bodies. I can rarely hear any audible difference. Maybe on cleaner settings, but definitely not when overdriving a decent amount. The real plus I find is the more ease of feedback at lower volumes. I just like the way a 335 feels to play. I've yet to try the Shaw's in one of my solid bodies which would be interesting.
 
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