Twin Jet Effects Loop HELP!

[AusTexCap]

Today was the first time I realized how much the Twin Jet's effects loop drains volume, tone, bass, and even saturation. It's horrible. I HAVE to run my Decimator in the loop but other than that I don't use effects. I saw the other thread about the Suhr Mini Mix but will this actually bring the amp back to life? Do you actually run it IN the effects loop? Any other suggestions? This is killing me because I love this amp but without a usable effects loop I can't eliminate preamp noise.

EDIT: After reading the Mini Mix page I'm not quite sure how this will make the loop any better since you're still dialing the TJ's send all the way up and killing your tone. Seems like you won't get your actual tone back once its gone.

 

[DEWD]

Hmm....I'm not sure but the loop on my TJ works great with just my delay pedal. In fact it sounds better than the loop on most of the boutique high gain amps I've had with delay in the loop. I guess I'm not hearing what makes it so bad.

 

[jcattell]

I have to agree with DEWD I think the effects loop in the twin jet works pretty dam good. I also use a decemator and i actually put it right up in front before my wah pedal (which quiets the amp right up...no more feedback at all), i know the instructions for the pedal recomend it later in your chain but i find that it kills the quality of your effects if you do so. As far as putting the decimator in the effects loop...I have never tried it but I do use a ton of effects in my loop (line 6 effects processor which sounded like crap in my dual recto loop) and I find that I have very very minimal loss of tone. I do agree that there is a pretty significant volume drop but I am able to equalize any volume loss with the amp's send knob in the back set to around 3 oclock. I hope this helps, but again I actually really enjoy using the effects loop of the twin jet and find it to be pretty transparent with whatever I have put through it. Try you decimator in front of your amp at the beginning of your signal chain and use some different effects in the loop to see if you have any better success.

 

[AusTexCap]

Try you decimator in front of your amp at the beginning of your signal chain and use some different effects in the loop to see if you have any better success.

The Decimator has two channels. Channel one goes in front of the amp to eliminate guitar/pedal noise and channel two goes in the effect loop to eliminate preamp noise. So it has to be in the loop to truly make the amp quiet. The decimator is completely transparent in my ENGL Blackmore so I know its not the decimator. Even with the decimator bypassed, when I turn the loop on it sounds horrible. Plus if I adjust the send level then I'm not eliminating noise to the full extent it should be.

 

[TheMagicEight]

Try you decimator in front of your amp at the beginning of your signal chain and use some different effects in the loop to see if you have any better success.

The Decimator has two channels. Channel one goes in front of the amp to eliminate guitar/pedal noise and channel two goes in the effect loop to eliminate preamp noise. So it has to be in the loop to truly make the amp quiet. The decimator is completely transparent in my ENGL Blackmore so I know its not the decimator. Even with the decimator bypassed, when I turn the loop on it sounds horrible. Plus if I adjust the send level then I'm not eliminating noise to the full extent it should be.

I was having the same problem. You'll need to run your channel volumes under 11:00 and turn the MV way up. Keep the send level maxed out.

That's what worked for me; if it doesn't work for you, maybe you have a bad tube? I'd talk to Bogner directly if my suggestion doesn't work.

 

[AusTexCap]

Great I'll give that a shot and hopefully it'll work. Seems to suck either way though If they could get their loops up to par this would be such an amazing amp. I still love it though.

 

[RedB4Black]

The loop on the one I had sucked - like every other Bogner loop I've tried (except my XTC). I had the same problems as you Zach.

 

[glip22]

I wasn't happy with the volume drop in my loop even with the send level maxed. The solution for me is the Cussack More Louder pure clean boost pedal. It's excellent. I can keep the send level on half now and the Cussack barely half and the volume with effects is the same with the loop off. If you prefer it can get much louder with effects than with the loop off. It's super transparent. I'm very happy now. My effects sound great in the loop with the Cussack. It's a very small pedal with 25db of boost and a toggle that gives you true bybass or buffered. Highly reccommend it.

http://cusackmusic.com/wp/?page_id=13

 

[steve_k]

Suhr Mini Mix II. Turn that serial loop into a parallel loop.

But, with Bogner and most serial loops, it can be a chore to find the right levels, especially when you change venues. As Mo said, the Master Volume is essentially your send level control. Trying to use it to balance both channels and as a send level can send you in a whole new dimension of pissed off!

Steve

 

[glip22]

Suhr Mini Mix II. Turn that serial loop into a parallel loop.

But, with Bogner and most serial loops, it can be a chore to find the right levels, especially when you change venues. As Mo said, the Master Volume is essentially your send level control. Trying to use it to balance both channels and as a send level can send you in a whole new dimension of pissed off!

Steve

Steve, How is the mini mix? Does that solve the volume drop? This little pedal is working well but I would rather have an effect/dry mix. Would the Suhr give me that? Have to go check it out. It's pricey isn't it?

 

[steve_k]

They are around $250. Quite a few shops stock them, or can get them. Rob @ TM's can get one, check on ebay for a reputable dealer. There is no volume mix on it, but it reduces A/D/A conversion. The volume drop is a characteristic of the loop

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Is it a passive style loop?

Sure sounds like one. Similar to slo 100 , krank and dumble?

Try the dumblelator type fx loop buffers or the vox v491 if so. Riatone kleinulator if you prefer ss over tube.

I have a vox v491 for sale if this is the issue btw.