Two quick questions

[Forty Six & 2]

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could answer these short questions..

Firstly, how long should I leave the amp (Einstein) in standby mode before playing? I believe the manual says at least 40 seconds, but is that sufficiently long enough to avoid all unnecessary stress on the tubes?

Second, I recently had all the tubes changed and ever since the amp makes a ticking noise (for lack of a better term) shortly after switching off the mains (after having it left on standy before that for a while). It probably lasts about one or two minutes and it'll tick no more than once every fifteen secons or so during that time. I can't recall the amp doing this before I had the tubes changed, so I'm wondering if this is something I should worry about or not.

Thanks!

 

[duesentrieb]

1) 30 seconds to one minute
2) thats normal with new tubes, which are not really burnt in yet. You see, the original tubes were burnt in, so the glass didn't expand and vice versa with the amp boing on (hot) and off (cold).

Don't worry too much: play !!!

 

[Forty Six & 2]

Thanks for the fast reply and that's an excellent piece of advice that'll I'll follow up on immediately!

 

[DvE]

I also have 2 quick questions and dont want to reopen another post, so here I am:

Both are about the Diezel Herbert:

1) Herbert itself is a very dark sounding amp.
What do you do to get a more biting metal sound of it (more treble/mids like the typical vh4 Channel 4 - Metallica sound)?
2) What effects do I have when achiving the same volume by
a) litte master and a lot of channel volume
b) little channel and a lot of master volume

Thanx for your help

 

[Forty Six & 2]

While we're (still) at it, let me ask another question.

The big brushed metal block (again, for lack of a better word) with all the electronics in it on the Einstein, does that move? It's somewhat smaller than the encasing and if I recall correctly when I first got the amp it had spacings on both sides of said block. I just noticed that after I had the tubes changed the block sits all the way in the left corner and the gap is entirely on the right.

Photo's to illustrate my point..

Am I delusional and has it always and is it supposed to look like this or is there a way to move this thing? Ever since I noticed this it's been bugging the hell out of me.

 

[Joeytpg]

While we're (still) at it, let me ask another question.

The big brushed metal block (again, for lack of a better word) with all the electronics in it on the Einstein, does that move? It's somewhat smaller than the encasing and if I recall correctly when I first got the amp it had spacings on both sides of said block. I just noticed that after I had the tubes changed the block sits all the way in the left corner and the gap is entirely on the right.

Photo's to illustrate my point..

Am I delusional and has it always and is it supposed to look like this or is there a way to move this thing? Ever since I noticed this it's been bugging the hell out of me.

check to see if the screws on the botton of the amp are somewhat loose.

 

[Joeytpg]

I also have 2 quick questions and dont want to reopen another post, so here I am:

Both are about the Diezel Herbert:

1) Herbert itself is a very dark sounding amp.
What do you do to get a more biting metal sound of it (more treble/mids like the typical vh4 Channel 4 - Metallica sound)?
2) What effects do I have when achiving the same volume by
a) litte master and a lot of channel volume
b) little channel and a lot of master volume

Thanx for your help

what are your settings?

 

[DvE]

[/quote] what are your settings?[/quote]

Amp is new, still running experiments and Im thankfull for tipps/hints ^^

 

[Joeytpg]

oh ok, now I understand...... hehe

you gotta lear how to tweak them a little. Diezels thank god are not tweaker amps, they work GREAT right of the bat, but as with ANY amp you gotta find your own sound.

Try setting all the knobs to 12:00 and then experiment moving them little by little.

I'd start moving the Presence and Deep a bit..... for example, I've found that having the pres. between 12:00 and 3:00 is GREAT, makes you cut through like a chainsaw.

Deep knob is a bit picky, too much deep/bass will make you sound too muffled.... Diezels are HUGE tonewise, but leave the bass freq. to the bass hehehe

just try things out, and remember that bedroom settings are VERY different from live/rehearsal settings


how loud are you playing the amp ?

 

[DvE]

I've reduced the deep already (around 11 o clock), because the mesa recto cab is so fat, that you dont need more bass.

How loud? Mh, last time I tried channel vol around 9.30 and master around 11.30.
Thats another question: What effects (on Gain, highs and lows, feeling of the sound, ) do you produce by having the same overall loudness, but
a) very low channel vol and very high master vol
vs
b) very high channel vol and very low master vol

Problem now is, that I dont have much time for the next 2 weeks, because of university ^^
After that I will spend more time with my new baby, but until then I am glad of further tipps

 

[RaulTx]

While we're (still) at it, let me ask another question.

The big brushed metal block (again, for lack of a better word) with all the electronics in it on the Einstein, does that move? It's somewhat smaller than the encasing and if I recall correctly when I first got the amp it had spacings on both sides of said block. I just noticed that after I had the tubes changed the block sits all the way in the left corner and the gap is entirely on the right.

Photo's to illustrate my point..

Am I delusional and has it always and is it supposed to look like this or is there a way to move this thing? Ever since I noticed this it's been bugging the hell out of me.

I've checked mine, and it looks like yours...

 

[Joeytpg]

I've reduced the deep already (around 11 o clock), because the mesa recto cab is so fat, that you dont need more bass.

How loud? Mh, last time I tried channel vol around 9.30 and master around 11.30.
Thats another question: What effects (on Gain, highs and lows, feeling of the sound, ) do you produce by having the same overall loudness, but
a) very low channel vol and very high master vol
vs
b) very high channel vol and very low master vol

Problem now is, that I dont have much time for the next 2 weeks, because of university ^^
After that I will spend more time with my new baby, but until then I am glad of further tipps

yeah the Mesa cabs are fat and bassy... so lower the Deep and bass a bit (around 10:30 - 11:00).

there seems to be an interaction between the master and volume..... if you crank the volume you get a "fatter" sound.... I think it sounds the best with the volume knob around 1:00 - 3:00 and then use the master.

 

[DvE]

Thanx for the tipps.

Having the Volume on high settings makes the sound realy fat - I like that

Another problem with the Mesa cab is, that it makes the sound a little bit scooped.
Before the Herbert, I used the Mesa cab with my Marshall MG100Dfx and the sound wasnt bad, because the Marshalls are a little bit like a chainsaw.
I like scooped sounds, but the Herbert already has a scooped feeling (and if you want more, you can use the cool mid-cut option) , so the mesa cab might be too much in that direction.
My dream-sound is somewhere between this... a little bit more of the chainsaw-feeling (which I could not get out of the herbert until now) , but with the big fat "chunk" the herbert produces ^^

Do you think changing the cab to one of these newer Frontloaded Diezels would do the trick - especially giving a more agressive feeling with more mids on the other hand?

Have a nice christmas

 

[Joeytpg]

well there are a few experiences ppl around here (Duolos, etc) raving about the new diezel cabs, so I'm pretty sure it'll sound better through one of those.

But don't be afraid to use the Presence control..... set it around 2:00 - 4:00 and you'll get your "chainsaw". don't abuse the midcut either because it'll scoop the tone too much. I've read it works great around 8:30 (but I've never tried it since I don't own a Herbert)

 

[Joeytpg]

oh, also lower the bass, it'll feel more mid heavy and it'll cut way more.

In my einstein i run the channel bass around 10 and the deep around 10:30, it's more than enough bass for me.

 

[Duolos]

Since you are getting used to the Herbert, start with the controls at noon and get your ears used to that sound for a little bit. Once you have gotten a "feel" for the amp, begin to adjust from there either way. Hear the sound, not look at the controls...lol. Many times we get a visual picture of what the control knobs "should" be set at. Hear with your ears, not your eyes. Based on what you are telling me "tone wise" so far I would say a lot of it has to do with your cab. That can be worked around so don't worry. There will need to be a cutting back in bass and some bit of gain as you increase the volume....I am talking about LOUD volume. Increase your mids and treble along with some presence. A lot of this depends on the guitar and the room as well as the cabinet. Again, tweak from there. Once you get a new feel for the Herbert and all the other dynamics, I would begin going extreme with the controls to see what they do individually and how they interact with the other tone shaping controls. Then you will have a proper feel of how everything works together. There are MANY ways to work these amps to get them to do what you desire and there are no wrong answers. Let your ears be the guide and work with what you got. My advise is DO NOT GO SWAPPING TUBES AND CHASING BIAS READINGS ETC. Work with what you have and how it came from us. I assure you that you will find multiple solutions doing things this way. If you ever need further help, please ask me.

 

[DvE]

Presence above 2:00 seems to be very much, but if this can give me the marshall-like chainsaw-feeling, I will try ^^
I have read, that you have to use much more presence when Mid Cut is off, little problem: I use settings with and without in the same song, so I have to find an compromise in between.

Mid Cut I have around 8:30 - 9:00 and it works great. Opens your sound and you get even more mids but on other frequencies - very nice. I dont need much rock tones, just pure metal for lead, rhythm, solo and a goodlike clean, thats the reason I bought the herbert

Bass settings at the Channel I dont remember exactly (lower than 12:00) , but deep is at 9:00 because otherwise the mesa cab seems to be too bassy.

Gain settings are around 1:30 till 2:00 - I think thats enough for have this fat high gain I love, but without getting to undifferentiated.

Volume: I have the Channel Volume at 12:00 and the master at 9:30, if I play louder than that, some other members of my band cannot be heard any longer because they dont have such good equipment.

As you said, it also depends on guitar and room. Room is not enough cloth inside now, but we try our best to make it better.
My main guitar is an Ibanez PGM30 with seymour duncan jeff beck and sh2 replaced.
Any typical things about Ibanez / sd and diezel amps I should know?

In generall: I liked the "agressive feeling" of the vh4 a little bit more, when I tested them, but because of the mid cut feature and the two master volumes and the fact, that I dont play much between metal stuff and clean I thought the herbert would do it better. So a Herbert with the same agressive feeling as the vh4 would be my dream ^^

If you want to hear an example what sound I like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grg5JdUF92E <-- great unknown german band

Thats what I like here - very nice people trying to help you, even if they dont own the amp

 

[Joeytpg]

welcome man, most of the ppl here own a herbert or have owned one, in my case I haven't but I have an einstein which is like the herbs little brother

 

[Peter Diezel]

While we're (still) at it, let me ask another question.

The big brushed metal block (again, for lack of a better word) with all the electronics in it on the Einstein, does that move? It's somewhat smaller than the encasing and if I recall correctly when I first got the amp it had spacings on both sides of said block. I just noticed that after I had the tubes changed the block sits all the way in the left corner and the gap is entirely on the right.

Photo's to illustrate my point..

Am I delusional and has it always and is it supposed to look like this or is there a way to move this thing? Ever since I noticed this it's been bugging the hell out of me.

Open the 4 screws on the bottom and adjust it

 

[Peter Diezel]

While we're (still) at it, let me ask another question.

The big brushed metal block (again, for lack of a better word) with all the electronics in it on the Einstein, does that move? It's somewhat smaller than the encasing and if I recall correctly when I first got the amp it had spacings on both sides of said block. I just noticed that after I had the tubes changed the block sits all the way in the left corner and the gap is entirely on the right.

Photo's to illustrate my point..

Am I delusional and has it always and is it supposed to look like this or is there a way to move this thing? Ever since I noticed this it's been bugging the hell out of me.

I've checked mine, and it looks like yours...