Using Distortion pedals with Einstein

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I understand Peter D. (the genius) wants us Einy users to use the amp as a 2 ch amp.
That being said and having sold a modded Einy due to the volume change issue...has anyone attempted using something like the Wampler Pinnacle II or similar high end/high gain pedals to create extra channels within the clean channell and leaving the amp unmodded? Please let me know if you have....sounds like the way to go but only if it sounds good.
 
I use my Fulltone OCD on the clean channel to give me that classic sounding Marshall crunch, and then switch to the lead channel for my rhythm, and boost that with the OCD for my leads. Works for me.
 
I have used my Einstein combo for almost 4 years now dead stock. No foot toys for extra distortion. Only effects loop delay, etc.
The amp works beautifully as is.
 
also a Fulltone OCD on channel 1 mode 2 with the gain on the amp at around 2 o clock and channel 2 as a over the top heavy rhythm as well as a great lead tone.
wow where do you set your gain tone freeq on ch 2 with the ocd
 
Halikus":22laaob6 said:
Iv tried my Satchurator into my Einy and so far I'm yet to find a sound that the amp cant do much much better.
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Ive had a similar experience every time i try an overdrive, distortion or boost into mine I cant dial in a sound the amp cant do better alone.

mod the amp and get a g major 2. use the switching relays of the g major to control the modes of the amp, then set the output of each patch for boost or cut until you get the levels sorted. works like a charm IMO. oh and you'd need a midi pedal to control the g major 2.
 
moltenmetalburn":2bzve0xo said:
Ive had a similar experience every time I try an overdrive, distortion or boost into mine I cant dial in a sound the amp cant do better alone.
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Has anyone actually found a gain box that actually adds to the sound of an Einy? Iv tried a few that sound great on other amps but just sound like trash through the Einstein. My Satchurator being the most extreme example, I can dial in some amazing tones at all gain levels if I use my old Rack rig consisting Engl E530 and Mesa 2:90 but I cant get a single nice tone through the Einstein. Its not a complaint at all as the Einstein has allowed me to really simplify my rig and the best part is it just sounds epic no matter what I do to the tone controls.

I guess all I'm really after the kind of kick Andy Timmons gets from his BB preamp ,not a different tone per say, just a slightly different flavour of the same tone. Anyone tried a BB preamp infront of an Einy?
 
I tried quite a lot of pedals. It seems the Einstein does not really like all of them. My favorties are T-Rex Møller for nice Overdrive sounds and maybe the best, a Baldringer Dual Drive. It adds two more channels and it was the only piece that could actually add a little to the Einstein. But having said this I sold each of them again and stick with the pure Diezel sound. It basically has everything and I would also recommend doing the mod and handling the Volume by something like a g-major. I use a Nova system and it works just great.
 
Hi,

I tried a couple of pedals with the Einstein. I could dial in some useful sounds, but only in channel one, mode two. And then only, when I had the gain at the Einstein not more than twelve o' clock. I used - before preamp - the OCD (with 12 - 15V !!!), which worked fine, also the BB and RC (but always gain very low), and I had a very good crunchy rhythm sound with the Z-Vex Box of Rock in the clean channel, but only with volume on my guitar decreased to half - when I turned the volume knob to full, it was very muddy!

Now I take the gain just from the amp and use only a boost (mxr 401), which adds no gain, just a push, which makes things in channel one a bit tighter. But I use it in the serial loop after preamp stage. It was useless before the preamp stage. I think, the trick is, to keep gain settings fairly low, when using Overdrives (also important, what kind of pickups you use - lower or higher outputs).

Overall I would say, Einstein doesn't take Overdrive - Pedals very easy. You have to tweak around a bit. You just have to try!

bw
 
redfulcrum":ktru2j3y said:
also a Fulltone OCD on channel 1 mode 2 with the gain on the amp at around 2 o clock and channel 2 as a over the top heavy rhythm as well as a great lead tone.
wow where do you set your gain tone freeq on ch 2 with the ocd
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Usually I set it around 9 o'clock or so, so you're getting a little extra gain, but I have the volume knob way up, so it's driving the amp pretty hard. Tone control to taste.

Works really well for me.
 
When I was at our local music store with my band, we wanted to test some hard&heavy-pedals.
Einstein Combo was standing there and sounded killer with a cheap ibanez smash box,
but that was before I knew what diezel was and what they sound, so no real comparison :D
 
Hmm... well I tried an OCD yesterday. Not really impressive; I found it made my Einstein sound "smaller" in some way. No real life in the tone, so definitely not the way to go for me. I'll stick to the mode-switch mod.

R.
 
Halikus":3lzsrnlq said:
Has anyone actually found a gain box that actually adds to the sound of an Einy? ...
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Yes. I use a boost/drive pedal called Firesound (make II). That is the only boost/drive type pedal that I found usable with Einy and actually adding something to this amp. Has a 3-position switch for various types of boost/drive. One of these is a very clean one - makes wonders for tight rhythm work with Channel 1. Channel 2 is already the pure perfection :)
The local guy that makes them, made me a bunch of custom studio devices (thus I have the privilege to own serial No. 0000 of the Firesound II ;) ), but his primary stuff is bass/guitar related electronics. For the price it can't be beaten, IMO.
Look here:
https://www.myspace.com/naudiocustomguitarelectronics
 
synchu,
Your friend makes very nice gear!
In general, rather then trying to add foot toys to the front end of the Einstein, I have re-tubed the amp to get exactly what I want from the tone and gain stages, when I turn up the gain.
I am using lower gain 12AT7/12AU7 tubes which are NOS Mullards and other high-end brands.
This way, I can get the power, but not cloud up the clarity of the note when applying more gain, and thrust behind the note.

The amp runs a bit quieter then when regularly tubed, but this also allows me to turn up the amp more and get more from the tubes. I can get the amp to sound like it is coming apart and it has a terrific feel to it and tone.

If the Einstein was capable of getting power tube saturation as the VH4 and Schmidt are, I probably would not have to retube it, but I have found the best sound I can from it and it works every time for me in quieter and louder playing situations.
 
Good points Stephen. Tubes can make a large difference for sure. I have tried the Xotic products but I haven't found any product that really helps any of the Diezel amps. You may get some likable coloration but to me overall when you add anything like a OD or distortion pedal to any Diezel you simply take away from the Diezel core sound which to my ears is incredibly nice, versatile and plenty enough bone stock from the factory. :D
 
To each it's own. There's always something to learn :)
I have bunch of tubes lying around (including old Siemens 12AX7 (ECC83) and AT7 ones, which I find a tad better sounding than Mullards in few other amps/tube preamps) and I feel I tried enough combos. It is really amazing what *itload of glass you collect in 20 years :)

Currently 12AX7HG+ as per the master's recommendations are providing me enough WOW factor. The above pedal however gives me, in certain desired tones area, something extra :) I wouldn't have used it, if it wasn't. It is not necessarily better, it is just different and usable for what I am doing and for my needs :)

VH4 is in my wishlist, as I always said, gotta have few other things sorted out, but I WILL have this amp :)
Niki
 
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